RE:Lets be realistic C series, Lear, etc are not the root cause of Bbd's predicament. The root cause is the mismanagement by the 2 stones. Take BT. Brutal transaction with CDPQ then not paying attention to contracts, then paying lip service to complaints, then not taking corrective action fast enough, finally giving Alstom an 18 months option on an $9B business for 75M. How dumb was all that???