RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:$22,500 per Kg - Let that sink in. Bear in mind the huge win with silicon replacing graphite is also mileage performance and faster charge times. It's all been discussed here adnauseam but it needs to be understood from a consumer level.
Further adoption of EV technology is dependent upon what a tank of batteries will get you in addition to when a consumer has a brain fart cause they spaced out on a low charge level and need to get to a charging station.. They need a faster charge time to get back on the road. They can take a 5 minute charge to get to their end point for a full charge if in a hurry... or wait longer at the charging station for a longer charge but not an overly exorbitant amount of time?
Silicon gives you this... graphite does not.
This change is consumer driven and HPQ and Pyro know it.
Orherwise they would not be developing it.
Its called capitalism..
The same kind of battery stress smart phone users have..., exist in EV batteries..
The solution is about to unfold. We are lucky enough to own shares in the company developing it at a fraction of the cost.
There is no other publicly traded company you can invest in.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it..
Pitpitcolisse wrote: He's expecting profits even at low prices of 30$/kg, now imagine the margins if he does sell some at high prices ... Mind blowing!
Thinkbigsti69 wrote: Hi MazerRR,
If you allow me to add the following, we (HPQ and PyroGenesis) are using the following pricing hypothesis as it regards nano silicon powders for batteries.
Presently, high purity graphite selling price is between US$ 10/kg and US$ 20/Kg. Since you will need less Silicon then graphite per batteries, a realistic price range for large scall deployment of nano silicon powder in the battery space is between US$ 30/kg to US$100/kg.
(Ps, while troll may say that these selling prices are too low to be that economical, the fact is that, at these price level, we anticipate that the volume of the material required to meet the demand will be astronomical.)
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Bernard Tourillon
Pitpitcolisse wrote: I guess you are talking about me? Please use quote button so we know what you are reffering to. I will refer you to this post from Bernard on Agoracom... https://agoracom.com/ir/HPQ-SiliconResources/forums/discussion/topics/746843-silicon-price/?message_id=2283370#message
DanielHPQ wrote: Please don't listen to this guy. What he is claiming actually isn't true, or at the very least it's incredibly misleading.
Graphite is somewhat popular because it's cheaper, but the problem with graphite is that there are some compromises that need to be made when you choose to use it over silicon. Throw in Highly purified Silicon nanopowders which can be customized to fit specific needs for each individual customer, and note that this isn't the indsutry standard Silicon they've been using which has opened up the possibility of even using graphite in the first place.
You offering up Graphite Solutions for EV Batterys/FCEV Batterys/The Solar Industry as a price ceiling is ridicolous, because it's graphite, and Silicon is the premiere choice. Silicon Nanopowders will be ever better.
On top of Graphite Solutions not being a price ceiling, you also have to consider, if Graphite is cheaper, why doesn't everyone swap over. Two reasons.
1- Industry is mostly already using Silicon to begin with, and doesn't want to compromise and change up the standarized quality they've been pushing to save some pennies.
2- If you opt to go the Graphite route for cheaper prices, you must make compromises. EV and FCEV's aren't going to take the cheap route that can have battery issues or flaws, because those will cause bad PR issues or potential lawsuits down the line. It's better to go with the cheapest AND simultaneously the highest quality product.