RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Have you ever heard lately a new political party created?clubhouse19 wrote: You are 100% correct..It was all the power and influence that the church had over their people and the government including wealth.. In fact, when I first came to this country, believe it or not, I was not allowed to attend French elementary...they allowed me to attend only 1st grade in French and that is because there was no place that they could have shipped me into English..but after that..they shipped me into English school and didn't want me back..ib fact I could only remember being ridiculed by the teacher for my ethnic background even though I was a european catholic in name. Most of the problems they have here started out by their own making mostly by the hypocritical catholic church supported by the impotent government with the racist duplessis at the helm
Acuras1 wrote: As a pure laine French Canadian who has lived in Quebec all my life, the type of BS rethoric and whining about not being served in one language or another in Quebec highlights how mis-informed many are about Quebec history. The Catholic influence was and gthe rethoric of business better left in the hands of the English. Money was dirty and any opportunity to be in business discouraged..
It all began more than a century before the Duplessis years. The French were in large part kept ignorant by their own. The church told all good catholics that business and money led to sin.
Many had little to no education. Until the revolution tranquille in the Jean Lesage erra (early 1960s) French Canadian kids had to pay to go to school past grade 7, unless they were favoured to eventually become priests, doctors or lawyers (i.e. only kids with exceptional grades who were sent to Catholic French seminairies at little or no cost to parents.
In fact, the result of being oppressed by the Catholic churchthat's one of the main reasons catholic churchs are now empty and that the younger generation are largely bylingual and much better educated than their parents.
The deal with the catholic church and Power was made way before Duplessis and they had the perfect racket going on.
Before the conquest, french settlers and discoverers were quite a dynamic bunch; you could find them everywhere in North America and they got along fine with the indian tribes allowing a lot of them to be successful commercialy. At that time the catholic church had a difficult time with these free thinkers who were more than happy to explore the continent and did not want anything to do with the usual platitudes and obligations of religion.
. The age d'or of the catholic Church in Quebec started after the conquest when France deciding that Canada was not worth fighting for and abandonned the french settlers to their fate.
They had nowhere to turn to exept to the catholic church who then could finally control the ''petit peuple'' with the usual superstitions and ignorance.
The new english masters understood quite early thant an agreement with the catholic church would be beneficial to the two groups. No taxes on your lands and infracstructures and you keep your flock quiet.
So for two hundred years the catholic church kept the ''petit peuple'' le nez dans la marde in a superb lucrative deal for the church and the english power. And an interresting dividend of that deal is that the church encouraging the french settlers to have as many children as possible , they could then become cheap labour working on the church lands or english industries.
This was possible for that long a time only because of ignorance. Smart french canadian leaders kicked the catholic church out of the school system in the sixties and installed laic teachers who finally started to teach us useful stuff.
As we can imagine, finding the light after so many years of darkness will generate some anger in some people, like the usual pendulum that has been kept too far on one side will swing too far on the other side when let free.
I think that the best way to be again a vibrant society, similar to what we were pre conquest is by the power of education. Educated people know that the world is vast and that there are a lot of other cultures outside that of your own tribe. Educated people are less an easy mark than ignorant ones, and they can make their own opinions when encountering political snake oil salesmen.
It might be why some political movements that were popular forty years ago in Quebec are almost gone now. There is less anger; people have choices now that they did not have before ; all this because of education.