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Ivanhoe Mines Ltd T.IVN

Alternate Symbol(s):  IVPAF

Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. is a Canada-based mining, development, and exploration company. The Company is focused on the mining, development and exploration of minerals and precious metals from its property interests located primarily in Africa. Its projects include The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex, The Kipushi Project, The Platreef Project., and The Western Foreland Exploration Project. The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex project stratiform copper deposit with adjacent prospective exploration areas within the Central African Copperbelt, approximately 25 kilometers (km) west of the town of Kolwezi and about 270 km west of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The Kipushi mine is adjacent to the town of Kipushi in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) approximately 30 km southwest of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The 21 licenses in the Western Foreland cover a combined area of 1,808 square kilometers to the north, south and west of the Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex.


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Post by Notgnuon Jun 02, 2021 11:38pm
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Slopdivider1... Not sure what your challenge actually is >>>

Slopdivider1... Not sure what your challenge actually is >>>Clarify it and maybe I can accept it.

Also, I had no idea that you are the spokesdolt for eveyone on this thread. Good to know... ummmm... I guess



June 02, 2021 - 08:24 PM
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Also a director resighned in March to PURSUE OTHER

INTERESTS??? WHAT A CRACK OF SH_T. HE RSIGHNED SO HE WILL NOT BE SUED ONCE YOU ALL LOOSE MOST OF YOUR MONEY. Watch the rsignations come oin once this POS consolidates and slides back to .10 cents. I THINK ONLY THAN WILL SOME GET IT, BUT NOT THE NUTCASE, HE NEVER WILL. HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS AN INVESTOR. That nutcase has a screw loose. Hey NUTCASE, EVEYONE ON IVN NOW KNOWS WHAT AN UNEDUCATED
WANNABY YOU REALLY ARE. STAY HERE AND I WILL COME BACK N TWO YEAS AND SEE IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN HOSPITALIZED. A WHITE COAT WOULD SUIT YOU REALLY WELL, ALTHOUGH WITH YOUR HANDS TIED BEHIND YOUR BACK SO YOU DON'T HURT YOURSELF. LOL


Here is reference reading material your much needed edification:

NCU vs IVN >>> a reworked comparison >>> hope its clear :)

Ivanhoe (IVN) versus Nevada Copper (NCU) on a future free cash flow comparison basis.


I use IVN as a comparison because it is low priced relative to future free cash-flow. Ivanhoe suffers a discount for being in the DRC. Both mines are 3 or 4 years until full production free cash flow. 


IVN only owns 40% of KK and KK is about 85% of IVN’s total value that includes 3 more properties.


I am now using a larger $1.2 billion future cost to build the NCU open pit.


To this I add $600 million EV to arrive at $1.8 billion future EV  for NCU versus $8.5 billion EV for IVN adjusted to the KK mine only.




Based on copper production about 4 years from now

IVN 40%

owned DRC

 

NCU 100% owned USA

IVN 500,000 tonnes (copper study group avg est.) Adjusted to 40%`owned

440 million pounds

220 million (prob more now since video) + 70 million underground

290 million pounds

IVN av cost $1.15 all in cost 

$3.45 C/F

NCU av cost $2.00 all in

$2.60 C/F

Long term avg annual free cash flow using $4.60 copper

$1.52 billion

 

$750 million

IVN E/V adjusted to KK only

$8.5 billion

NCU EV adjusted to incl the open pit

$1.8 billion

IVN E/V divided by 2 to equalize free cash flow between IVN and NCU

$4.25 billion

NCU E/V is only 42% of IVN before discounting for DRC risk (see next line)

$1.8 billion

DRC 30 year risk adjustment is to say that the $4.25 b E/V would be $5.3 b if the KK mine were in the USA instead

$5.3 billion

NCU is currently trading at 33.9% the risk adjusted price of IVN

$1.8 billion

This means IVN is 3 times more expensive on future C/F basis 

     

What this comparison tells me is that Investors in IVN are willing to pay 3 times as much per share for future cash flow versus buying shares in NCU. 


There is no doubt that estimated share value and cash flow is always decoupled from what buyers are actually willing to pay.



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NCU timing is perfect for new investors >>>

New mine build-out delays mean that copper sales from the relatively high grade new underground mine are hitting the market at what appears to be decades long high copper prices.

In a few short weeks we will be at an initial 3,000 tons per day and, assuming the early ore is blended with lower grade development ore (essentially from tunnelling in) we will probably be running at 1.5% copper and then 2% soon after.

5,000 tons per day from undergroung will happen in mid q4 but beginning in q2, after dike grouting is completed, we will already be at the 3,000 tons per day according to CEO Mike Ciricillo.

So 3,000 tons X 2,000 pounds X 30 days per month X 1.5% copper X 90% recovery equals 2,400,000 pounds of copper per month.

2,400,000 minus 700,000 hedged pounds equals 1,700,000 pounds unhedged.

1,700,000 x $2.81 (after deducting $1.86 all in cost from $4.67 copper) equals $4,777,000 plus about $750,000 from the profit on the hedged copper equals $5,500,000 per month already

At over $5,000,000 per month soon (July 2021) there is no more wolf at the door. The bills and interest are rapidly paid off as this cash flows in

In the fall this cash-flow doubles or triples depending on copper prices. And then the company (according to the last presentation) will ramp up the underground to even higher volume. It was specified at 5,000 tpd but built to accommodate more. (Talk to Rich about this... I have.)

Then a comes additions to the resource from the resumption of drilling (the programs ended a few years ago when cash dried up during both low copper prices and expensive bills for the underground and mill construction (basically done now.)

See a re-statement of my DD document below. Please question me on it if you see anything wrong or missing (but do it in a clear and referenced way so I can actually understand specifically what you are getting at.) 

Cheers,
Notgnu

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Repeat of my DD document with IVN comparison at the bottom (scroll down):



NCU is currently a $1 billion to $2 billion asset trading at under $500 million.


The asset will grow and grow when (soon) cash flow happens and the drills can turn again.


3 million shares a day equals under a million dollars a day.

A lot of these shares are just traders moving in and out trying to scalp $500 for hookers and blow (see fishboullion for details and connections.)


The free trading float is comprised of legacy holders who just blindly stagger out from behind the woodshed... just happy to exit with a little money to buy soothing azz pain-relief cream. 
 

IMO, NCU shares are being slowly accumulated by the mining funds that joined the ride in recent months. They are not subject to the continuous 'black-outs' that the insiders are.

This story is just beginning.

Below, with slight modifications (due to recent news releases) is a restatement of my pro forma calculations, history and ideas about NCU:


 

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A repeat for new NCU shareholders:

In recent months most copper miners have rallied 2 X to 5 X share price return due to long-term copper prices and outlook...


NCU has only just begun to price in the fact of not going bankrupt. 
NCU is not yet rated as a "producer," but rather just as a "developer."
NCU is a "producer" now but the share price has yet to catch up.


New interview with CEO Mike Ciricillo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIEmMHVZefA


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2021 start up cash-flow pro-forma (underground only)

2nd quarter: April, May, June: 

 

Average blended grade of 1.3% copper

Average mining and milling rate 1500 tpd

Average $4.50 copper

Hedge portion of 2.1 m pounds 

 

Production above the hedge (1500 tpd X 1.5% copper X 90 days X 2000 pounds per ton X 90% recovery = 3.6 m pounds, minus hedged amount = 1.5 million pounds 

 

1.5 m pounds is below the hedge so this could mean <negative $2 million> + (negative $6 million q1 hedge> = <negative $8 million>

 

 

3rd quarter: July, Aug, Sept: 

 

Blended grade of 1.6%, 3,000 tpd, $4.20 copper, remaining hedge of 1,000,000 pounds 

 

Production above the hedge (3000 tpd X 1.7% copper X 90 days X 2000 p per ton X 90% recovery = 8 m pounds, minus the hedge = 7 million pounds 

 

7m X $2.34 per pound (after all in cost) = $16 million, plus about $1 million from the hedge = $17 million free cash-flow

 

 

4th quarter: Oct, Nov, Dec:

 

Grade 1.9%, 5,000 tpd, no more hedge, $4.50 copper

5000 X 1.9% copper X 90 days X 90% recovery = 15.4 m pounds copper

15.4 m X $2.64 per pound = $40 m free cash-flow


2021 < q2 > + q3 + q4 total = $49 million free cash-flow


2022 (using $4.70 copper, underground only) = $184,000,000 free cash-flow.


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Underground alone, after ramp up ($4.70 copper:)

 

65 million pounds per year x $2.84 ($4.70 - $1.86 = $2.84)

 

Free cash-flow of about $184 million USD per year at a conservative, low 5 X cash-flow multiple = $923 million, divided by 1.8 billion shares = $0.51 USD = $0.62 CAD

 

 

OPEN PIT as not yet developed ($4.70 copper:)

 

IRR (7.5% discounted) of 44% (extrapolated from NCU's Oct 2020 presentation)


NPV of $2.35 b/ 1.8 b shares = $1.30 (then discounted 75% by me) =  $0.33 USD = $0.40 CAD

 

Total share price:$0.62 + $0.40  = $1.02 CAD


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Underground mine after ramp up plus future open pit:

At $4.50 copper, 2.3 billion fully diluted shares and 70,000 TPD open pit:

 

70,000 tpd X .005 copper equivalent X 88% recovery X 2000 pounds per ton X 365 days per year = 225 million pounds plus 65 million pounds from underground = 290 million pounds X ~ $2.50 profit = $725,000,000 free cash-flow per year.

 

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X5 multiple = $3.63 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $1.58 USD p/s

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X6 multiple = $4.35 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $1.89 USD p/s

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X7 multiple = $5.08 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $2.21 USD p/s

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X8 multiple = $5.80 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $2.52 USD p/s

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X9 multiple = $6.53 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $2.84 USD p/s

 

$0.725 billion p/year cash flow X10multiple =$7.25 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $3.15 USD p/s

 

  $1.96 CAD to $3.91 CAD per share


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At $5.00 copper, 2.3 billion fully diluted shares and 70,000 TPD

 

70,000 tpd X .005 copper equivalent X 88% recovery X 2000 pounds per ton X 365 days per year = 225 million pounds, plus 65 million pounds from underground = 290 million pounds X ~ $3.00 profit = $870,000,000 free cash-flow per year.

 

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X5 multiple = $4.35 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $1.89 USD p/s

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X6 multiple = $5.22 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $2.27 USD p/s

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X7 multiple = $6.09 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $2.65 USD p/s

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X8 multiple = $6.96 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $3.03 USD p/s

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X9 multiple = $7.83 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $3.40 USD p/s

 

$0.87 billion p/year cash flow X10multiple =$8.70 billion / 2.3 billion shares = $3.78 USD p/s

 

  $2.36 CAD to $4.72 CAD per share
 


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A consolidation of the share count WILL happen soon

June 30 is the AGM and the consolidation will be announced then

I am hoping for 20:1 thus fully dilluted share count goes from 2.3 billion to 115 million.



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Reasons I own NCU: 

Future open pits have gold and silver credits not pre sold in any stream deal

Future open pits are already permitted to allow 70,000 tpd production

Copper running way beyond the $3.20 price assumptions in the NI-43-101

The new mill is successfully ramping up to 5000 tpd capacity (prob ~50% now)

Full copper production 3rd quarter 2021

Minimal hedges roll off soon

Covid uncertainty reduced now with vaccines out

No insider selling for 10 yrs despite past issues

Banks lending at reasonable rates

Highly experienced CEO with 3,500,000 share rights which align him with us. 

A mining friendly jurisdiction with plenty of experience labour available

A share consolidation to be announced June 30 2021 = institutional buying and margin
Expansion drilling underway, so decades more resources will be added

 

 

Potential risks include:
 

Problems with the mine plan leading to more cost
Copper price dropping a lot
Mine accidents
Another Covid shut down


 

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Interpretation of the 2020 share price collapse:
 

Covid hit and the mine was shut down. It was bad timing in terms of funds to get production up and running. Cash was not there and it looked like another dilution was to happen

 

Selling came in with very little buying support. Then the situation changed for the better yet investors were scared.
 

 

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Insider average share cost:

 

Pala / Iorich  ~40 % owner           > $0.51 (calculated as of January financing)

NCU director Nutter                     > $0.32 (calculated as of Dec 2020)

NCU director Albanese                > $ 0.41 

NCU director Brown                     > $0.31

NCU chairman Gill                       > $0.21

NCU senior VP Joseph                > $.32

NCU director Cochrane                > $0.67

 

 

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NCU: Some history on the underground portion: 

 

Throughout 2019 copper prices declined about $0.75 per pound, from ~$3.00 to ~ $2.25 (March of 2020) This was the first major hit to the share price. The NI 43-101 assumed an average price of $3.00.

 

Quote: "Consensus prices per the 2019 NI 43-101 Tech Report : US$2.83 – 3.20 lb Cu"

 

Covid shut the mine down just when start up production was about to occur. Copper ~$2.25 at the time. NCU dropped to $0.24

 

The share price continued to decline and only in June 2020 did it have a small pop back to the $0.20 area, presumably because copper went to ~$2.75 thus making the mine viable again (all in cost of $1.89 underground, leaving $0.86 per pound net profit.)

 

Cash was needed to get to positive cash-flow and support debt obligations thus the now infamous dilution and refinancing at a about net $0.14

 

Shareholders bailed on mass with the tax loss season and covid doom in the air, leaving the share price to hit 2020 lows of ~$0.07 to $0.10

 

Since then both the copper price and importantly, the outlook for copper, have improved markedly. This affects everything. NCU is affected more than most because going from almost bankrupt, to having a very profitable outlook, creates a larger leverage effect than going from profitable to more profitable (as is the case with other low hedged, mid sized copper mines)

 

Since the life saving July 2020 financing NCU's marginal profit is now 250% of what it was then ($2.14 vs $0.86 p/pound) Note: the $2.14 today is based on $4.00 copper, minus $1.86 AISC

 

During the time copper prices went up the mine build progressed amazingly well. The mill was tested to run great at 'nameplate" of 5000 TPD and the underground hoisting and ore crushing have successfully been commissioned... a shout out to the new CEO and the NCU team.

 

NCU's hedging is relatively small and applies to only the first 6 months of 2021 leaving the vast majority of the copper open to the new higher copper prices.

 

The recent financing converted another big piece of debt to equity so the balance sheet is in great shape.

 

Despite the troubles in the past there has been no insider selling for 10 years and insiders hold a lot of stock cumulatively, with Pala / Iorich holding about 60% at an average price that is greater than $0.51.

 

 

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Additional 83 million tons of ore likely available underground.
 

More drilling will be done to confirm the size and grade of this ore body and it may easily increase and is very ecenomic at $4.00 copper price.

 

The current "measured and indicated" category is 54 million tons at 1.39% copper and the "Inferred" is 29 million tons at 1.09% copper. (these are in addition to the 13 years [24 million tons] of 1.6% that we are about to start mining.)

 

Taken together there is another approximately 60 million tons of about 1.2% copper in the measured / indicated category (also subject to more drilling expansion) to provide an additional 27 years of mill feed using 6000 tons per day.

 

The math is: 60 millon ton / 6,000 tpd / 365 days a year = 27 years.

The grade is (about) 1.2% copper average

 

So, 6000 tpd X 365 days per year x .012 grade X .9 recovery X 2000 p per ton = 47 m pounds of copper per year for additional 27 years above the first 13 years.

At $4.70 copper ($2.84 p pound free cash-flow) X 47 m pounds = $133 m per year underground

 

Total additional = 27 more years of $133 m US per year, beyond the first 13 years of $184 million USD per year
 

 
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Corporate presentations:
 

https://nevadacopper.com/site/assets/files/4190/ncu_october_2020_final.pdf
 

https://nevadacopper.com/site/assets/files/4209/2021-03-ncu-cp.pdf

 

Robert Pavich Video (last 10 minutes is best)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk_WhFu7FlA&feature=emb_logo


New video feature CEO Mike C.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIEmMHVZefA 
 

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 Summary of key NCU news releases:

 

2013, Sept 9: (copper~$3.30) 

>>>Final permit for underground mine build, plus loan financing.  

 

2013, Nov 14: (copper~$3.20) 

>>>Stand alone open pit feasibility study filed using $2.75 copper

 

2014, Dec 15: (copper~$2.75) 

>>>Land bill passed by Senate and House of Reps

 

2015, May 28: (copper~$2.45) 

>>>Feasibility results. Mine life increased by 5 years.

>>>A description of economic results with three base case scenarios for copper.

 

2015, June 1 - July 15: (copper~$2.25) 

>>>Three more positive drill result releases, including 400’ of 1% copper.

 

2015, Aug 17: (copper~$2.25) 

>>>Full permit for open pit is obtained

 

2015, Aug 21: (copper~$2.25) 

>>>BLM conveys 10,000 acres of land to NCU.

 

2015, Sept 10 & Nov 3: (copper~$2.20) 

>>>Two more sets of positive drill results

 

2016, June 9: (copper~$2.15) $4.8 million raised at $0.60. 

>>>Total shares NCU shares outstanding = 88 million

 

2017, May 23: (copper~$2.55)

>>>Pala P.P. 10% premium to the market = $0.66 for 3.7 million shares. 

>>>Total NCU shares outstanding = 93 million 

 

2017, Dec 17 and 2018, Jan 12: (copper~$3.20) 

>>>Construction financing and debt restructuring

 

2018, Feb 26: (copper~$3.20)

>>>Restart of underground mine construction after the raising of more funds.

 

2018, March 5: (copper~$3.10) 

>>>$128 million from Pala for an additional 256 million shares. $0.50 each

 

2018, May 15: (copper~$3.05) 

>>>Open pit extension drill results including 42 metres of 2% copper  

 

2018, July 17: (copper~$2.75)
>>>Additional equity financing. $108 million, $0.60 per share; 

>>>Total NCU shares outstanding = 660 million

 

2018, Sept 6: (copper~$2.60) 

>>>$70 million received in exchange for (underground only) Au & Ag metal stream.

 

2018, Sept 10: (copper~$2.65) 

>>>PEA received for the open pit using $3.20 long term copper. 

 

2018, Nov 13: (copper~$2.75) 

>>>Announcement to update technical report to include new info and PEA

 

2019, Feb 22: (copper~$2.75)

>>>Announcement of 5,700 additional acres staked for exploration, thereby expanding the Pumpkin Hollow property by 32%

 

2019, April 16: (copper~$2.90) 

>>>New open pit PFS study published with updated numbers ($3.20 long term copper price is used)

 

2019, May 16: (copper~$2.70) 

>>>$40 million combined private placement and public share sale $.040

 

2019, Dec 16: (copper~$2.80) 

>>>Copper production commenced and ramp up to full 5000 tpd expected by mid 2020. 

>>>65 m pounds p/ye projected from underground. Cost = $1.86 (all in sustaining cost)

 

2019, Dec 17: (copper~$2.80)

>>>Pala announces buying shares in the public market at $0.29 per share 

>>>Pala’s total of the financing =273 million shares, ~ 36% of shares outstanding.

>>>New float is roughly 758 million shares

 

2020, April 6: (copper~$2.25)

>>>Covid necessitates a shutdown of the newly completed mill 

>>>Underground work continues at reduced pace.

 

2020, July 31: (copper~$2.85)
>>>Equity sale completed. 667 million shares including the over-allotment 

>>>This raises $100 million to pay down debt and cover expenses. 

>>>New share price is about $0.14 after backing out about $0.02 per warrant attached.

 

2020, Aug 24: (copper~$2.95)

>>>Production is restarted

>>>Commissioning of hoist, vent shaft and underground crushing continues

 

2020, Oct 15: (copper~$3.05)

>>>Mike Ciricillo is brought on board as CEO. Mike “...was previously the Head of Copper Industrial Operations for Glencore Plc, where he oversaw Glencore’s worldwide copper assets…”

 

2021, Jan 29: (copper~$3.55)

>>>Equity financing; 230 million shares issued at $0.16 for proceeds of $38 million. 

>>>Pala takes down an additional 80 million shares as a part of a debt to equity trade. 

>>>New share total = 1.7 billion. Warrants will bring in about $100m

 

2021, March 18: (copper~$4.05);

>>>Some 5% ore is encountered in ‘development’ area on route to the new stopes

>>>Expect “grade increases” in combining weeks as stopes are accessed

>>>Hoist is tested to run at 5,000 TPD matching the tested mill capacity

>>>Electrical upgrades mostly completed (due to change in first stope to mine)

 

2021, April 21: (copper ~ $4.25):

>>>We are a few days away from the first stope to start extracting 2.2% copper

>>>Ventilation upgrades are progressing well

>>>Batch production is running very well at intermittant bursts of 4,700 tpd as development (and soon) new stope ore is being mined.

2021, May 17 (copper ~$4.70)
>>>Mike announces we will be at about 3,000 tpd by the end of q2 (June 30)
>>>Progress slowed a little as cautious progress is made through water bearing dike
>>>Covid has slowed the delivery of the Large surface fans so 5,000 tpd mid q4



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A majority of the investment in proving and building this new mine came from shares issued at much higher prices, during a time when the copper outlook was anemic and copper was below $3.00.

 

Now is the right time to accumulate. Earnings will, of course still be negative for a year but cash-flow will come fast with copper over $3.50

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Another way to look at it

Work backwards from q4 full 5000 tpd:


Mid Q4 = full 5000 tons per day which at $4.50 copper is $160 million /yr free cash-flow.

 

  • $160 million X 6.3  multiple = $1 billion divided by 1.8 billion shares = $0.55 p/s
  • add value for a permitted open pit which is an easy $0.25 to $0.40 to me
 

Discount back to today, less than 6 months from 5,000 tpd

Buying today at 30 cents would be a 150 %, 6 month return.

NCU is stil on sale at a huge discount.


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Barrick CEO on copper as a strategic metal for the portfolio
 

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/investing/video/barrick-gold-ceo-says-copper-is-a-fantastic-strategic-asset~1907821


Long term copper supply / demand articles:

https://aheadoftheherd.com/copper-con/

https://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2021-05-19/Running-on-MT-peak-copper.html

https://www.mining.com/new-bull-chart-for-30000-copper-price-porphyries-nearly-mined-out/


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For a comparison of how the change in the price of copper effects each project:



 

Ivanhoe

KK

Profit up since $2.50

copper 

 

Nevada Copper

Profit up since $2.50

copper 

All in cost and % mine profit

$1.15

   

$2.03

 
 

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Cash-flow at $2.50

$1.35 / 117 %

0 %

 

$0.43 / 21 %

0 %

Cash-flow at $3.00

$1.85 / 161 %

37 %

 

$0.97 / 48 %

128 %

Cash-flow at $3.50

$2.35 / 204 %

74 %

 

$1.43 / 70 %

233 %

Cash-flow at $4.00

$2.85 / 248 %

112%

 

$1.97 / 97%

362 %

Cash-flow at $4.50

$3.35 / 291%

149%

 

$2.43 / 120 %

471 %

Cash-flow at $5.00

$3.85 / 335 %

186%

 

$2.97 / 146 %

595 %



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Please note: This post is for discussion purposes only and not meant as advice to buy or sell.

Ivanhoe (IVN) baseline of comparison (reworked version) to understand NCU: 


I use IVN as a comparison because it is low priced relative to future free cash-flow. Ivanhoe suffers a discount for being in the DRC. Both mines are 3 or 4 years until full production free cash flow. 


IVN only owns 40% of KK and KK is about 85% of IVN’s total value that includes 3 more properties.


I am now using a larger $1.2 billion future cost to build the NCU open pit.


To this I add $600 million EV to arrive at $1.8 billion future EV  for NCU versus $8.5 billion EV for IVN adjusted to the KK mine only.




Based on copper production about 4 years from now

IVN 40%

owned DRC

 

NCU 100% owned USA

IVN 500,000 tonnes (copper study group avg est.) Adjusted to 40%`owned

440 million pounds

220 million (prob more now since video) + 70 million underground

290 million pounds

IVN av cost $1.15 all in cost 

$3.45 C/F

NCU av cost $2.00 all in

$2.60 C/F

Long term avg annual free cash flow using $4.60 copper

$1.52 billion

 

$750 million

IVN E/V adjusted to KK only

$8.5 billion

NCU EV adjusted to incl the open pit

$1.8 billion

IVN E/V divided by 2 to equalize free cash flow between IVN and NCU

$4.25 billion

NCU E/V is only 42% of IVN before discounting for DRC risk (see next line)

$1.8 billion

DRC 30 year risk adjustment is to say that the $4.25 b E/V would be $5.3 b if the KK mine were in the USA instead

$5.3 billion

NCU is currently trading at 33.9% the risk adjusted price of IVN

$1.8 billion

This means IVN is 3 times more expensive on future C/F basis 

     

What this comparison tells me is that Investors in IVN are willing to pay 3 times as much per share for future cash flow versus buying shares in NCU. 


There is no doubt that estimated share value and cash flow is always decoupled from what buyers are actually willing to pay.

DYODD
Cheers,
Notgnu

 

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