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Suncor Energy Inc T.SU

Alternate Symbol(s):  SU

Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks (including Canada’s Electric Highway, a coast-to-coast network of fast-charging electric vehicle (EV) stations). The Company is developing petroleum resources while advancing the transition to a lower-emissions future through investments in lower-emissions intensity power, renewable feedstock fuels and projects targeting emissions intensity. The Company also conducts energy trading activities focused primarily on the marketing and trading of crude oil, natural gas, byproducts, refined products and power. It also wholly owns the Fort Hills Project, which is located in Alberta's Athabasca region.


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Comment by Experiencedon Jan 08, 2022 9:43am
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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Any technical traders following Suncor?

RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Any technical traders following Suncor?
MigraineCall wrote: Sound advice Experienced.

As you say, a well diversified portfolio across many sectors is widely known as the key to long term investing, securing consistent and modest returns over time. Sectors have their ups and downs, and if one may drop, it's overall impact on the overall portfolio is minimized. For the many reasons and concerns you have described so well in detail, a market retracement may indeed be on the horizon. 
 
For me, I share your concerns as well, and I also see high overall market risk going forward, which causes apprehension for me to have money at risk in all other sectors. The only place I feel secure is in energy.

My view today is that the energy sector is still quite significantly undervalued relative to all other sectors, and may likely not be impacted as severely long term as one would think in such a case of market retracement or a levelling off. It has already had a significant beat down over the last years, and due to improving balance sheets and FCF generation, and may be the few remaining lifeboats of refuge still remaining afloat that market cash will swim to, if the Titanic hits the iceberg. 

Future demand/supply imbalances and global underinvestment going forward point to higher prices, but even if oil remains at current levels, energy producers will soar as the stock prices catch up to normal valuation metrics. 

Now, I must add a warning to others as a disclaimer to my bullish outlook, that I have been to the slaughterhouse 3 times on far less conviction, so that says something about my past risk history.

But, but, but.... 'This time, its different'.

Regarding TA, I didn't believe in technical trading much in the past, and I thought it was similar to lying on your back on the grass on a nice summer day as kids and seeing shapes of animals in the clouds.  However in today's market that is mostly and increasingly driven by computer algos that observe and trade within a set of programmed complex indicators and rules in nanoseconds, one should not underestimate it's relevance, especialy movements on short term timeframes.

Oil and Gold are the most manipulated out there, and difficult to trade. I find some things like Nat gas are easier, has large moves, is liquid, and is one of the most TA compliant commodities to trade (HNU, HND).

In the end, I finally came to the realization that TA does in fact have an influence. Even an atheist must consider the influence that god has on him, not whether or not he believes in god himself, but because there are so many countless others that do believe and each of them react accordingly. It turns out to be a self fulfilling prophecy. With so many involved, the behavior exhibited is similar to that of a school of fish, and you often see the ones that don't comply being eaten.

The market is a complex orchestra playing, where the horns sometimes are louder than the string section. To fully appreciate it, one must be open to consider a balance of technicals, fundamentals, sentiment, outlook, and the news of the day to hear the entire symphony. The beauty, and understanding of it only becomes clear when you look back at the chart, when you exit the auditorium for the day.

Otherwise it is all just noise.

Experienced wrote: A long time ago I read a book by these university professors who examined about 200 technical indicators and did a statistical analysis over a 50 year year period to determine if any of them had an real predictive value.

Their conclusion?

All but two of them had no predictive value accuracy of any significance.  In simple terms - they don't work most of the time.

My own observations over decades of investing dating back to 1969 is that whenever I tried to rely on technical analysis, it was usually wrong.


So what beyond fundamental analysis and careful reads of Q reports to do I rely on which has worked for over the years?

1.....The Stomach Test

When I am feeling realy really good about the market and a particular stock, I sell some of my stake.  When I am feeling sick about the market, I buy.

2.....Investment Discipline 

Most of my investments are long term holds and I set a limit on how much of my portfolio is in one particular company.  If that company is doing really well and goes up a lot and crosses my percentage limit, I take some profits.

3....Observe the World Around You

Years ago I did a lot of travelling on business.  Everywhere I went I saw Home Depot Parking lots full.  So I went in and talked to the people who worked there and asked how it was going and what they thought of management.  They had nothing but good things to say and so I bought a bunch of it in the mid 80s.  You would be surprised how much valuable information is sitting right under your nose by just looking around.

In the 90s, one of my sons and his friends were watching this cartoon called Pokeman.  They told me that every kid was watching it.  I found out how to invest in it and thanks to my son and his young friends I made a few bucks on it.

4....Understand Who Is and Isn't Your Friend

As a general rule I do not rely on analyst reports from investment houses - they are part of the sales organization of their firm and sole responsibility is to generate trading activity.  This is especially true of the pundits on TV like on BNN or CNBC or the likes Cramer.

5.....Learn From Your Mistakes

Don't beat yourself up if you make a mistake, they are your tution fees.  Keep track of the lesson learned and then apply that knowledge going foreward.

6.....Most Importantly

Don't be greedy.  As the old adage in the stock market goes - pigs get slaughtered


I agree that the energy sector is undervalued right now and that is why I am still following it closely and so I have a stake in pipelines and electrical energy producers and a couple of early stage companies in the area of green energy.  Where we might disagree is that I do believe that the energy sector will be strongly impacted by a global downturn in economic activity.  That said, I see such an event as a buying opporunity of perhaps the century.

As far as the algos go.  Yes I agree that they are primarily focussed on the short term and most of it is actually mathematical game theory as opposed to actual investment analysis.  For example, a cousin of my wife's, was one of the top GS people in their London office and handled most of their trading strategy for Europe.  His qualifications?  A PHD in Economics?  Nope.  A PHD in theoretical physics!!!  His value was his expert knowledge of complex mathematics, modelling and game theory.

While I have poohed technical analysis, I do keep my ear to the ground to look for market inefficiencies and take advantage of those situations....call it gut feel technical analysis if you wish.

Your comment about the symphony is a very good analogy.

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