RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:But Good Citizens In Canada Don't Need Guns, Right ? You're complaining about right wing posts on a stock board. I suggested you use the ignore button. That I recommended you don't do this on a stock board doesn't make it a complaint, don't worry I didn't go crying to SH support. As for the regular joe comment, I'll reiterate: your claim that we are giving regular joes access to military grade assault weapons is wrong: the semi automatic weapons the regular joe uses isn't the fully automatic weapons that a soldier gets, so this notion that American kids have easy access to military grade weapons is wrong. Even if you got rid of rifles, have you seen how many gun deaths are attributed to AR-15s versus handguns? And you're still cherry picking the data: you're looking at countries with low gun ownership that of course have no chances of inflicting gun crimes, as well as high income: what does high income have to do with looking at data? Is it perhaps because you're conveniently ignoring countries in S America like Honduras, Colombia, el Salvador, which have stringent gun laws and have done nothing to curb gun crime? As much as you're going to say it is hard to enforce the laws because they're a low income country, an equally worthwhile point to consider is that in such countries law abiding citizens are also restricted/banned from owning them (like in Canada) which means the gun laws are only hurting normal citizens who now can't defend themselves. And that is why in Canada Trudeau uses another country's tragedy to take away the guns of law abiding citizens, while 99.99% of the gun crimes are committed with illegal weapons. So if you want an honest comparison to other countries, it has to be countries that have high gun ownership but low crime rates, and it has to be properly attributable to gun legislation. And you keep bringing Canada up as an example but it is wrong, just recheck the data because gun crime is soaring in big cities. Which makes my point that a change in culture is the main driver, not gun legislation. You keep citing other countries that have gun laws as a prime example but none of those countries ever had problems with mass shootings and high gun crime, enacted legislation, and proceeded to see a massive reduction in gun crime. Thats why I said it's cherry picking.
yggdrasill wrote: NPCexe wrote: I don't complain about your posts,
Oh?
NPCexe wrote: Your reasoning is off and if you wish to discuss gun issues, a stock board is no place.
Is that not you?
NPCexe wrote:
I believe people should share ideas so long as they're good. YOU are the one complaining about fiddy so that's why I suggested censoring him since you hate his views. As for rankings, you may cherry pick data all you want, the fact of the matter is that everyone wanted to move there for more than a century and still does, and thus your argument falls apart when you don't take all other data into consideration. Furthermore semi automatic guns are not the most effective killing tool we have, so wrong again. The US integrates "assault weapons" in its arsenal, for starters. Lastly, nobody said there isn't a problem with gun violence: CLEARLY a problem exists. What I disagree with is your methods to solve this problem. You can make excuses for why any Act didn't work all you want, the issue is the Act didn't work, period. Therefore the solutions the government enacts are garbage and the data speaks for itself no matter how many "BUT... BUT..." pro government arguments you make to give them another chance to screw it up.
Are assault guns not guns? Yeah, we have bombs and other weapons of mass destruction, but I was talking in terms of things available to the regular joe. I didn't think I had to spell that out for you.
Now here's the thing. I'm not cherry-picking data. I'm not comparing the US to the only country that has a better homicide rate. That would be cherry-picking. I'm comparing it to ALL of the high income nations. It is, objectively, the WORST. Then I picked France and the UK because you alluded to them by cherry-picking one incident (Nice) and raising the issue of knives for which the UK is notorious. But I could have picked other countries. For example, the homicide rate in the US is
31x higher than Luxembourg's or Singapore's. It's
12.5x higher than Italy's... So don't blame me for cherry-picking.
You then cherry-pick one gun control law that didn't work, to claim that somhow that means all gun control laws and all government solutions are garbage. You fail to mention that other gun control laws have worked in basically every high income country in the world, which is why gun violence and homicides are so much lower in those countries.
Do you know any other country in the world where guns are the leading cause of death for children?
You're right that it's complicated. But the US has tried the "more guns" approach for the past 40 years, and it has made the US the worst in terms of gun violence AND homicide rates. It's time the US tried things that have worked in EVERY other country. Start with background checks and red flag laws. Do you support those two policies?