RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:EDUCATED TIMINGYou don't get the concept.
You're like a dog on a bone. That's why you have a picture of a dog for your identity.
You see a loss for Q1/21 or Q1/2022, and you can't interpret it properly. I've made it as simple as I could for u. I can't make it any simpler. Short of banging my head against the wall, trying to get you to understand the concept.
The Fiscal year consists of 4 Quarters. The First Quarter of Bombardier, is the
Heaviest spending Quarter..The rest of the years Quarters, are the money makers making up the first Quarter Investment loss, that was shown. In Q1/21 also they had a heavy CAPEX, as I said in the last post. Even still Q4 2021 showed a profit. Because the full year of 2021 was still profitable no matter the EXPENSES. If the company is losing money like you say they are. They would have gone under by now.
They only had $3.6B in receivables from the BT sale in Jan. 2021, left over, to throw at the LTD. Yet they've placed $5B on the LTD since, and have
Reserves of $1.4B for 2022 &
$400M more of reserves, that they can't be tapped into, because it's tied up as collateral. I think it may have something to do with the Alstom deal. So in essence they have $1.8B in Reserves left still on the books in 2022.
Read the above paragraph that I just wrote again. Now ask yourself??? How can a company that owed $11B LTD in Jan. 2021?? Pay off LTD of the $11B -$5B from hand = to bring current LTD to $6B? And still have another $1.8 of Reserves/Liquidity (all cash), after putting $5B on the LYD in a year. They don't have an LOC either. So it's real cash sitting there.That's $$6.8B billion dollars of cash sitting there. Retorical Question. They are making money. What loss u read for Q1/21, is just that an operational current loss for Q1. It's a continuing operational loss. Some/a lot of CAPEX expenses are included in there, that I explained to u.before in the last post & now in this post.
So. They only got $3.6 from BT in Jan 2021. How could they have spent $5B on LTD and still be sitting on $1.8B of cash. Something is off, isn't it?????
Also. Don't count on this years +FCF/profit as been too large in Q4/22. It won't happen. It will be about $100M to $150M at best. But again, and again, and and again. These past 2 years of 2021/2 were heavy investment years for Pearson & the Service Centers CAPEX mainly. But even that expense, went mostly into into the books as a positive for PP&E.
You are misunderstanding the statements. I don't have neither the time nor the patience to teach an AGGRESIVE day trader like you, how to read, & understand the Bomber Statements, Because you are like "a dog on a bone" just like your handle picture. Even if I made u understand what you're reading, you would still argue. Stick to day trading, apparently you're doing well as u say???
As for what we should expect in 2023 & 2024, from Bombardier. We will have great #'s. The spending cycle of 2021/2022 CAPEX is going to be over in 2023. So EBITDA will be untouched in 2023. Anothers words, very little spending for either operations, or R&D. So if EBITDA of 2023/24 will be close to $1B?. Which it will be.Then pressumably it should all be usable. Remember that Production Capacity will INCREASE to 140 planes in 2023/4. Therefore the Revs are going to be way higher. Then you have the Service Centers all operating at full capacity too. Then no CAPEX, or any R&D nor PP&E like Service Centers/Pearson Plant/Witchita Lear conversion. So this loss to C/O or CAPEX will not be there. Additionally, The Margins will be HIGHER from those Service Centers & Pearson as well. So again EBITDA of 2023/4 isn't going to be touched. It will likely
all be useable. Maybe on the LTD.
As for what the Family Projected Guidence for 2025 is? Of $1.5B EBITDA & $500 profit. This can easily be achieved in 2023/4. Because of strong Margins, strong BJ sales, production capacity increases, better margins, & very small CAPEX. So this is why I say that they are way ahead of schedule.
If you can't understand this explanation from my last 2 posts??? Than I can't help u further. Then you have to wait and see, and Bombardier in 2023/4 will keep paying down LTD by $500M every year from 2023 on, and you'll still be reading the first Quarter losses. You may have been reading statements for 30 years, but understanding them specifically to acompany, is another matter. Stay day trading. I don't have the patience for this useless & misguided BARRAGE of yours. Btw. I use rough numbers, because nobody knows the exact numbers until they're in the books.
Chers
bago wrote: Your numbers are rough, very rough. I knew enough
to sell at almost double the current share price, how
about you? You call losses like 287 million in the first quarter
SMALL yet losses in the losing quarters are much higher
than quarters they show profit. Your projections are lofty
like they were for the first quarter and when the numbers
did come in and I posted they were light on revenue you
told me I was clueless back then and the SP proceeded to
lose over 50% since. I have been reading financial reports for over
30 years yet you say I don't know what I am talking about meanwhile
the bomber continues to languish. Nobody is stopping all you
bulls from averaging down and doubling up at these prices if
you are so sure the company is ahead of sheadule like they say.
Maybe if some buying comes in by the bulls it may force some
short covering. In 2021 they showed a net loss of 249 million for the year.
So far this year they are -287 million after the first quarter and you are
calling for 500 million by year end which means they would have to come in
at +783 million for the next 3 quarters, not happening. The company said themselves they are expecting 500 million a year in 2025 so even if ahead of scheadule as they say it's not
double to a billion like you state. You are the one picking numbers out of a hat
and I am going with what they actually report. Ask yourself if the SP is so cheap
why aren't insiders stepping in here?
You said this
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2021 was the heaviest year for Investment for the Pure Play. Even 2022 will be heavy. The year end of 2021 showed a good profit after everything was paid. I think $150M by memory." Reality was they lost 249 million lol.
Maybe instead of calling me clueless show me
where I said this and it's actually that. Just shooting your mouth
off and telling me how i piss the board off with wrong
information is useless especially when you are the one
posting fictional numbers.
BBDB859 wrote: Bago, this is why I get upset with u.
You put sh_it like this on the board and have no clue about what you're posting. That's why you should stick to day trading. Tell us about daily SP, and who is trading and why they're accumulating etc. Because you have no idea about reading the Bomber Statements.
What the bellow brief article on Q1/21 is saying is simple.
Q1,sometimes Q2, sometimes even Q3 could be loss Quarters depending on the expenses of the company. But Q4 is always a full year, and therefore it will be profitable. This is the nature of this company.
Simply. Last year the Investments that they put into the Service side (7 new facilities were either expanded or some newly built), the Pearson Plant ($400M), then there is the MATTER of the LTD, that some Quarterly Payments are heavier usually in Q1 + Q4,.
So $450M annual payments for the LTD annually. Then the Investment in all the Service Facilities, then Pearson, now even Witchita, and ya, you'll see a small loss in a Quarter or 2. But the Year end tells the story. Then there is the Inventory to invest in the Begining of the year for the next years Inventory due for production.
2021 was the heaviest year for Investment for the Pure Play. Even 2022 will be heavy. The year end of 2021 showed a good profit after everything was paid. I think $150M by memory. But all this is going to change in 2022. 2022 Q1 showed a loss from continuing operations. I explained where this loss comes from to you in the above paragraphs So bottom line. The first Quarter is heavier on investment, and then the rest of the year brings that loss down to the final year end of Q4. This years Q4/22 Profit should be $150M/$200M.
But the next year 2023 after Q1 it's all going to be profitable Quarters. Why? Because no more spending on Pearson. No more spending on Service Centers. Only Operating Expenses. So from 2023 on, you'd be hard pressed to find even Q1, as a losing Quarter. In fact Q4 of 2023 we'll show probably close to $500M of profit or +FCF. So that's why the Family is saying they're ahead of schedule on their financial projections.
This is why I call you clueuless on the Numbers. Because you're a day trader & stay there trading daily & GL. Leave the other Doom & Gloom Fincial predictions to people that are capable with Numbers, and especially Bombardiers Numbers for a Fiscal Year. Because this is a unique company on it's spending. Plus the fact that they went from all these divisions down to just one, and the 2 years of transitional Investment, from the huge LTD reduction, coupled with heavy Investment for PP&E and this transition has been just a very confusing & Financially confusing to people. In fact it's been a transition to a PURE PLAY and a Finances Metamorphosis.
Start to see what the numbers will show show us Q4/22, then Q1/23, and then you'll see a clear picture of the Bombers profits. I can easily see close to $1B in Profit every year, starting as early as 2024. If the Margins from Person start to get to where I see them going to on the Globals?? Then who cares about the LTD.
We already have a huge $13.5B Inventory, and if this 1 to even 1.5 B/B Ratio continues for another year or 2, then the Bomber is going to keep churning profits yearly, like it was a cash printing Press. $1B every year. What do you think the development cost of the G8000 will cost? It's just a variation of the G7500. Bombardier is a master at streching and re-designing plane. I say G8000 total cost will be $500M if that.
Look my numbers here are rough. But that's just genarally what to expect going forward. I'm not worried one bit on the Financial side.
You can contribute on the SP dialog, and trading activity if you know something or see something going on daily. But leave the numbers alone. Don't try to scare people here with your nonsense or Financial BS. You'll just piss people off.
bago wrote: They were profitalbe q2 2021 but then showed a loss in q3.
Swung back to a profit in Q4 but then in Q1 back to a loss.
The bomber is a speculative stock and that's what you see with the trading.
Lets see what Q2 looks like this year.
BBDB859 wrote: I don't know what Club is doing, but I'm sick of AVERAGING down with this company.
My position is now, that the investment that I gotta put in again is frustrating. I've avaraged down 3 times before the R/S and all three times this idiotic Family has done something to ruin the plan. I don't want to walk away with just a double or triple. I want 3 to 5 X what I put in.
If the SP hits between $10 to $15?? Then I'll jump in.
They can't reverse split again. They can't Bankrupt a profitable company going forward. But they can try to steal the company from the shareholders by Privatization. Having said that. I feel that Privatization is highly unlikely, because everyone and their dog will SUE them. But I've never being involved with a Family stock, that the Family was so INEPT. They LIE, they are the worse business people, and now I don't want to experience the theft side. This was a challenging experience for an INVESTOR like me. Now I see why people trade short term only, these days. Because evryone manipulates everone they can. The word that I learned here from Star way back here on this board, that best describes this type of Manipulation, and the Exchanges that run this sh_it was
CESSPOOL That's exactly what this is. bago wrote: I'm actually very lucky.
One of he few here that realized a profit with the bomber
unlike so many that have been sitting on a losing investment
for many years and some ma never even recover.
Not sure why you are moaning and groaning and being so
bitter. Cheer up man life is short! Maybe you should average
down here and give yourself a chance to breakeven instead
of bellyaching and whinning. I'm playing with house money
as I am up on the shares I own.