Well..there is a good news and a bad newsThe good news is that NVO will take 9 to 12 months instead of 24 to get the permits for fresh. The bad news is that nothing will change and grade will be even worse. POG can go up or down while all the costs will be much higher in one to 2 years...so....the train still won't leave the station. But..hey I can be wrong,...Bucc and I have been always wrong while Finger, HH, Tardahead and Jay have been always right eh.....:O) P:S: Wisguy you are in a very good position to win the "Idiot of the village" prize this year also.