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Suncor Energy Inc T.SU

Alternate Symbol(s):  SU

Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks (including Canada’s Electric Highway, a coast-to-coast network of fast-charging electric vehicle (EV) stations). The Company is developing petroleum resources while advancing the transition to a lower-emissions future through investments in lower-emissions intensity power, renewable feedstock fuels and projects targeting emissions intensity. The Company also conducts energy trading activities focused primarily on the marketing and trading of crude oil, natural gas, byproducts, refined products and power. It also wholly owns the Fort Hills Project, which is located in Alberta's Athabasca region.


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Comment by Experiencedon Oct 19, 2023 12:17pm
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RE:RE:Worrisome sign? or Not?

RE:RE:Worrisome sign? or Not?Jay....thanks for your thoughts

All through my investment career and after I retired many years ago, people have talked about averages and what happened in the past.  I'm not in the camp of people necessarily that say "This time is different". BUT, what I do and in a sense tried to give a flavour of is in my post is that pragmatic investors look at the current conditions because each time a similar happens, not every single factor is exacty the same as it was for the average or the time before.

So what I do when things come up to make a major decision or establish a base case to drive my investment decisions, I create a checklist of important economic and business factors and see which ones are basically the same as happened in the past and look at the ones which are different.  I then key in on the ones that are different and try to determine if they are important to my decision and if so what is the likely impact on my decision or base case.

Sometimes these differences can cancel each other out and at other times they create an even bigger effect.

I admit that this process is part analytical and part alchemy.  There is no simple way around it.  

But with the utmost of respect to you, I think simply relying on an average of what happened the time before and not in a sense digging deeper and taking off the first layer of the onion will often lead to the wrong course of action at least WRT timing.  As a case in point I recall after 9/11 and the market was closed for a few days that there was one report after another predicting certain things would happen when the market re-opened based on average of similar things that happened in the past.  As I recall, every single one of them proved to be wrong. 

The other benefit of the approach I use is that, out of the myriad possible indicators available, you can narrow it down to a couple or few key ones that are readily available. In this way it keeps things pretty simple and fits on the back of my envelope.

Curiously, none of this says that your prediction is wrong and in fact, in an earlier post (can't recall the timing and would have to search and look it up as to when I posted), I suggested that I had revised my outlook for a recession and suggested 1Q or early 2Q of next year which roughly corresponds to your 22 month average. 
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