RE:RE:RE:Oh clouder ..take a shower …Haha I just played Noam to a draw. So you CAN at least break even lol. I mean seriously if these trading bots have all of the real time info on shorts, options, level 2 market maker action then how can you win by day trading? Especially if it's true that the market makers control the hft bots. The only way to win for sure is for companies actually earning positive net income.