SpurwingGet the picture , you asked a very valid question and there were 4 replies , 3 off topic SH supporters , maybe 2 and only one removed for actually giving a reason , that was removed for off topic not 2 others completely off topic as well. I will comment on VRN not that it will make any difference as CM is on a roll today removing 3 of mine .Personally , l lost faith in both VRN and VET when both with similar dividends cut them to zero or near enough.Over half a decade later neither are a shadow of their precut Divy SP. I like some can probably remember when every Street Fund Mgr pounded the table about VRN , ex CPG stating categorically that it should be in every investors portfolio.Ever hear one of them ever say sorry or we were wrong.Nope and you never will as investors prepared to pay them for mistakes have short memories and apologises are bad for business.You can change mgmt and a name but unfortunately it is just the same old same old.Just look at some of the moves others in the sector have made or even if not much better a dividend that VRN SP would have to go up by 5% or more just to break even. The promises of tomorrow have been going on for years but it's always the same , Next Month.