In my opinionthere isn't a surplus of copper. The Chinese want all the concentrate they can buy on the cheap!!! BTW China's economy is in worse shape than the USA. Citic continues to sell their shares because the economy there has knocked them down n they need CASH, but my understanding is Citic already has a lock on alot of IVN's concentrate; going forward so they are in good shape. Now my belief is Bobby needs to jack the copper price up to the Chinese PERIOD!!! UNKLAL