I agree Bub 2014 I agree with everything you said Bub. There are no meetings with Oilsands companies. Your right there will be no revenues from ROOF for years. The Calgary plant is not opening on time. They got their patent a month before CVW joined them. There are no Big Investors waiting on sidelines. Also if anyone on this Forum is getting info from someone with initials BK I would question it. The guys been blowing smoke about CVW for over 12 years. Nothing he has ever said came to fruition. Your right Bubs the Oilsands operators don't care and no one is pushing them at all.