condor:I've earned my lesson from the likes of VGCX andalways protect myself with options to eliminate worse case senarios. i.e I was holding 26 dollar puts for dec, and just rolled them over for jan. I can live with getting a kick in the teeth, like today, but at least I know I'm not going to lose every last cent. Mining is the most brutal sector to invest in, but I am incapable of learning.