thxok had done all that and saw the info, but it does not show if they were purchased in the open market and if so at what price, it also shows options of 70k that were granted Bovingdon and Robertson, is this the right page, shows Bov.... with 196, 500, terra 9500 and so on?? Sorry to be a pest but i think it is a good sign when insiders buy, i will usually follow them.