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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum BioAmber Inc. BIOAQ

BioAmber Inc is an industrial biotechnology company producing renewable chemicals. The company's proprietary technology platform combines industrial biotechnology and chemical catalysis to convert bio-based feedstocks into renewable chemicals that are cost-competitive replacements for petroleum-derived chemicals used in a wide variety of everyday products including plastics, resins, paints... see more

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BioAmber Inc. > An honest take
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Post by TREEguy101 on Feb 12, 2018 3:56pm

An honest take

Hi everyone, 

I have been observing the posts this weekend. For some people who jumped in, here is a starting point for you about the company. 

1. The whole management team seems to have been fired and replaced within the last year
2. BioAmber seems to be behind on most of its financial metrics
3. The plant has a utilisation rate that sits at around 20%, and has for the past 2 years. What does that mean? It means that no one is buying their product. Its not a good sign. 
4. They just recently made a public offering at 25 cents/share, but no one was buying it. They had to quickly drop the price to 0.15 cents a share to get any buyers and sold 48 million shares. 
5. The past week has seen $2 million dollars of this stock traded. 
6. They are being delisted from the NYSE and likely will be de-listed from the tsx as well. 
 

Long story short; they built a 30,000 ton per year plant that is used about 20% of the time creating giant overheads and not enough product to yield any profit. There is a huge market for this product and previous management said they can make theirs cheap. So they have a cheap product that they can't sell into a giant market that apparently wants it? Says to me that the previous management/marketing team were/still are bad at business. 

Flash forward to the most recent Quarterly update (Nov. 7th or something) and the CEO will not answer the question about plant utilisation rate, because essentially they are probably not using the plant still and are just hosing people while they try to make a turn-around. 

I created the 20% utilisation rate myself by taking their revenue (3 million or something) and dividing it by the average cost per ton of succinic acid ($2300 - $2800/ tonne). 

SO

Investment thesis - They get the plant running and life is good, hit their 60 million revenue targert bla bla bla everyone is happy, share price probably goes back up to $2-$3

Short thesis - Something is wrong with their product and management is hiding it. Its just a trade to be executed based on technical indicators. 

My opinion? Likely poor product quality is hampering any real uses in the chemical industry which is why you see them pivoting to animal feed. Unless they can make a 99.99% pure product, its essentially trash, which is why you see them pivoting to animal feed uses. 

FYI - animal feed is a low margin product, so I REALLY doubt they are going anywhere except into bankruptcy. Sorry guys, it sucks but its probably a bad investment. 

If you bought in already I would hold, or sell and put my money into something else. 

I have no stocks in BioAmber and do not plan on making any in the next 72 hours.

Comment by Livinbackin1982 on Feb 12, 2018 5:54pm
The only thing you're sorta correct on is the de-listing. It will be moved to the Venture.. For those who didnt catch it the public offering expired on or before the 8th. The RDO was all part of the plan and the smart money poured into it pretty quickly. It's a $150M asset with $47m in liabilities and a $7m dollar market cap. Expansion of current plant is likely to happen. Global demand is ...more  
Comment by bmeister2 on Feb 12, 2018 6:56pm
I almost flipped a coin on who to believe you,or the tree guy before you as to versacity of this stock. Lol. I stuck with you, living,because you likely own the stock and are a great pipefitter. Why would the tree gguy be reading and posting about a stock he doesn't own.......except for !!?? enough said. fair post,living. Thanks
Comment by Peltmachine on Feb 12, 2018 6:57pm
Finally, Now that’s a good post!  Thanks YFLIP...
Comment by XcaLi11 on Feb 12, 2018 7:03pm
You're from Sarnia?
Comment by Montrose9 on Feb 13, 2018 12:36am
Thats alot of knowledge about a situation you have no stocks ( probably meant shares) in until you seem to be suggesting you will buy into later this week. If this is just about a trade based on technical indicators with a 52 week high of 4 bucks and a low of 10 cents with a relatively small float what moving average do it see it retesting?
Comment by TREEguy101 on Feb 13, 2018 12:14pm
I spent the weekend researching. BioAmber is near where I live and I have met a few execs (not enough to make an informed opinion about them, but a few) at various chemical conferences I go to.  My technicals put a price target on this of $0.11 - $0.01 for the next ~90 days, lots of bearish sentiment.  I am waiting for new information before investing. If their utilisation rate ...more  
Comment by Falcao on Feb 13, 2018 12:24pm
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Comment by LumpyColburn on Feb 13, 2018 1:01pm
You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.  
Comment by TREEguy101 on Feb 13, 2018 1:12pm
Thats ok. Its a stock board. I was more doing it for people who asked for an honest opinion. Its my honest opinion.
Comment by LumpyColburn on Feb 13, 2018 1:40pm
  But your honest opinion is to ultimately deceive by transfering your false beliefs "honest opinions" to your potentially now deceived readers.   
Comment by TREEguy101 on Feb 13, 2018 2:23pm
H2 2017 revenue is 4.14 + 3.3 = 7.44 million Price of succinic acid during that time $2300 to $2800 a ton. Divide revenue by price per ton to arrive at tons. Multiply by two for full year 7.44 / $2300/ton or 7.44 /$ 2800/ton 6469 tonnes / year or 5314 tonnes/ year. Divide current annual production by name plate (30,000 tonnes) I get 21% utilisation for $2300/ton base case or 17% utilisation for ...more  
Comment by Stockslock on Feb 13, 2018 2:08pm
But who ask for your honest opinion? I don’t understand pp like you who claim to not own any shares but like to go on board and bash it.  It is because you have too much time or another motives?  Personally if I dont own shares Im not going to waste my time bashing it, unless there’s some gain in my action. 
Comment by TREEguy101 on Feb 13, 2018 2:38pm
I did the research because I was thinking of investing and then just figured Id share it. You have the math below. I've said my piece. GLTA
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