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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum BioExx Specialty Proteins Ltd BIXZF

"Bioexx Specialty Proteins Inc is engaged in the development and commercialization of processing technologies, for use in the extracting various active ingredients from organic and inorganic materials. The company's primary focus is on the production of proteins from canola and other oilseed feedstocks. Its products include Isolexx, a protein isolate for use in bakery products, meat products... see more

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BioExx Specialty Proteins Ltd > All or nothing stock (?)
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Post by Foodhawk on Mar 04, 2013 1:03pm

All or nothing stock (?)

I am new here - BIOEXX was the reason to register here. This is the only board I could find with a reasonable amount of exchange and discussion about this stock. Although I have already realised that at this moment the management cannot say anything concrete about (hopefully) up-coming deals, particularely in Europe. And as far as I understood everything depends on the marketing authorisation as a novel food in Europe. It seems that BXI is the classical waiting game. All or fall, all or nothing. You may have realised already that my mother tounge is not English (it is German).

https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/BioExx-s-canola-proteins-Wholly-comparable-to-soy-protein-isolate

When I saw this article, it reminded me, several years ago when BURCON was on my radar in 2007. Burcon was pushed by some (paid) popular German stock market newsletters (PUMP and DUMP!). Quite some German small "investors" (really dump money) bought Burcon and lost.... I always liked the idea of utilizing the valuable protein from this enormous amount of by-product from the (rapeseed/canola) oil production. Fortunately, I never bought Burcon. It was too much pushed by these newsletters. BIOEXX seems to be different. Only maybe a handful of people in Europe in the food ingredient sector have ever heard about this company. This is rather positive for this stock. The recent weekend, I have spent many hours on this company, its history and its website. I understood from its website that Helm AG is Bioexx's partner in Europe. While I have never heard before about BIOEXX, Helm is a reasonable and serious player in Germany and Europe.

The science behind the above article is certainly not negative for canola proteins and BIOEXX, but I would not call it a break through and the real issue is another one:

You may know that novel foods and novel food ingredients (= BIOEXX protein mixes) require a Novel Food approval by (a) one Member State plus all other EU Member States agree (Ireland was satisfied, but severl other EU States were not) - OR - (b)  the European Food Safety Agency (=EFSA) over-rules the verdict of the EU States. If the EFSA gives green light on the safety of BIOEXX proteins, the following marketing authorisation is a formality excetuted by the European Commission (though also this take some months). 

I will provide you with more info on the regulatory procedure in Europe in the following weeks and months ahead. I am a bit familiar with it. I am working closely together with our regulatory staff. I am working in R&D of a midsize German ingredient company. I am interested in this stock - but it seems that there is little hurry:

https://registerofquestions.efsa.europa.eu/roqFrontend/questionsListLoader?panel=ALL

The link above is the link, where EFSA records ALL applications - at this moment, I cannot find anything related to rapseed or canola protein! This means to me that EFSA has not even received the application! Or maybe they have, but not registered yet. So you should watch this link until the we can see the entry - then we also will get an idea of the time frame for EFSA.

If you want to get an idea how long the procedure for an approval of a novel food at EFSA takes - click the link above, then at "food sector area" chose "novel foods. Normally the canola proteins of Bioexx/Helm should be recorded there (once EFSA starts with the evaluation). 

If you scroll down there, you find many other novel foods, many of them have been finished. When you click on the individual applications, you can even find the "acceptance date" and the "date of adoption".  I clicked on many of them, to get an idea on how long the EFSA takes. My estimate is that the average was about almost one year, a very few of them took only 5-6 months, which seems to be best case scenario for BIOEXX, some other applications took almost two years! So it seems that the procedure has no common deadline - like for example the GRAS notice has in the US. It could make sense to make a little statistic about (positive/negative) outcome of EFSA's ruling to get an idea on the chances for BIOEXX. I intend to do so in the weeks ahead, before I put substantial money into this stock.

I also intend to provide you with some more details on the EU procedures in the coming weeks and months, but for today, I have also a few question:

1. Given the shortage of money BIOEXX suffers from, how long can BIOEXX survive, pay salaries, maintance of the facilities, fees for the stock exchange etc..?. 

2. Can BIOEXX survive the next 5-6 months (best case scenario) without the approval by EFSA (which seems to be the pre-condition for any substantial deal in Europe?

3. I realise that Bioexx has the GRAS notice for its two protein mixtures. Why there is no big deal in the USA which generates cash flow?

I have been on BIOEXX website and went to many (though not all) links. I also listended to the tele-conference of November 2012. It seems that all emphasis is put on Europe, what about Canada & US? If it was not sucessful in America, why should it be in Europe?  Is it because the focus is entirely in Europe and the marketing approval by the EU and so there is no money for marketing canola proteins in the US ?   I

Foodhawk

Comment by Palmpje on Mar 04, 2013 2:08pm
Looking forward to you shedding light into the application procedures. Much appreciated! cheers Palmpje
Comment by techmom on Mar 04, 2013 2:12pm
Foodhawk, for being new here.... I think you summed up BXI's situation very well.   Europe, Canada and China are the biggest growers of canola/rapeseed,  USA biggest growers of soybeans.   In recent years, USA is switching towards canola oil for health benefits. Personnally, I like that BXI canola-protein is GMO-free.  I think this is a big ...more  
Comment by juanito1 on Mar 04, 2013 3:08pm
Great Post Hawk,     I think many people spend a great deal of time on the length of the approval process. Whether it be 4 months or two years, for me it is irrelevant. It is clear to me that Helm is very much at the table and leading the charge. If and possible when we know that another effort for a commercialized plant is one the horizon..we are two years plus away from being up ...more  
Comment by gadfly222 on Mar 04, 2013 3:12pm
... @Foodhawk   Based on your background what do you think of the results and challenges of the demands of this Dec. 3rd, 2012 report by the Novel Foods unit of the EU regarding BioExx's Oct., 2012 application? https://www.cbg-meb.nl/NR/rdonlyres/DE4AB6C8-051C-45B6-8D69-079C3AB5C690/0/2ndopinionrapeseedproteinNLENnonconfidential.pdf     Thank you...
Comment by dwruddock on Mar 04, 2013 7:17pm
Jaunito1..."recent submission paid for by Helm".....   Where did you get this information?  What recent submission are you referring to? and How do you know it was paid for by Helm? I am getting a bit tired of all of these off the cuff, hail Mary pass, assumptions made by people who claim to be professionals or worse yet, professional investors.   People need to explain ...more  
Comment by gadfly222 on Mar 04, 2013 8:57pm
FYI:  The protein preparation in question is produced by a Canadian company, Bioexx Specialty Proteins Ltd. It is intended for use as an ingredient in a wide range of composite foods. The application was submitted by a German company, Helm AG, which wants to place the novel food on the market in the European Union. The dossier was drawn up by Bioresco, a Swiss company.  https://www.cbg ...more  
Comment by DrAudit on Mar 04, 2013 9:36pm
Pity the tech does not work.
Comment by dwruddock on Mar 04, 2013 10:11pm
Maybe I am not understanding this the way you guys are.  In my mind, the Bioexx / Helm relationship has gone on since (2007-2008?), something like that, and always included the distribution of the canola protiens in Europe.  Then in 2011, Bioexx had to go on the hunt for a JV Partner, had 4 potentials and now we are saying that they landed right back on Helm as the last remaining (and ...more  
Comment by gadfly222 on Mar 04, 2013 11:36pm
so who factually stated Helm + BioExx = JV? 
Comment by Palmpje on Mar 05, 2013 1:33am
I once stated that I conclude that Bioexx and Helm are after a JV, pending EU approval of canola protien as a novel food ingredient. I just do not believe that Helm as a distributor, ie only taking a relatively small margin, would do all this effort without a proper business case. Off course, others may have a different view, but I believe that other scenarios are just less likely (for example ...more  
Comment by 1320racing on Mar 05, 2013 8:54am
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Comment by Foodhawk on Mar 05, 2013 4:14pm
Hi gadfly, I have never dealt with a novel food application like this, but with favours and other food additives. The link you post is from Netherlands who apparently has some concerns regarding the specifications and allergenic potential. Specifications should not be a big issues. Allergenicity? Every protein can be allergenic. I cannot image that a novel food does not get approval because of the ...more  
Comment by gadfly222 on Mar 05, 2013 5:07pm
Thanks for your comments foodhawk ... you are right about every protein can be allergenic... it would be hard to imagine that soy has been passed (although there are many types of soy proteins) and the type of rapeseed /canola protein(s) involved in BioExx's product would not be... but - I am not an expert... I have been told by BioExx that the 'requests' have already been addressed ...more  
Comment by conscience1 on Mar 05, 2013 8:49pm
Thanks for coming aboard Foodhawk.  Welcome. We appreciate the close-up view from Germany; the link you provided to EFSA shows  "request for a review of the earlier Bioresco opinion on behalf of Helm AG" as being in progress. (file# M-2013-0069). It seems they're onto it. Palmpje and others have correctly ID'd Helm AG as BXI's benefactor. Gadfly is correct regarding ...more  
Comment by prairiebreeze on Mar 05, 2013 10:42pm
"Finally, this is a product that can be created from what is presently a waste byproduct of canola production. Cheaply? Maybe. Helm seems to be betting on it. Reproducibly? GEA said yes. I once asked this board whether anyone knew if an add-on module could be built beside a canola-crushing mill. I don't know anything about building factories." Not true at all. BXI has to use " ...more  
Comment by 1320racing on Mar 05, 2013 11:31pm
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Comment by conscience1 on Mar 06, 2013 9:52am
Thanks prairiebreeze. Too bad though. Another idea then: is there any beneficial effect to "cold-pressed" canola oil, in the same vein as olive oil marketing? Or is heat necessary in the process? I'm asking for my own education.
Comment by prairiebreeze on Mar 06, 2013 1:39pm
Cold pressed canola oil requires more processing... it's actually a lot more expensive to get the impurities out because you haven't used as much heat. As to its' other properties, I'm not aware of any meaningful improvement or decline in quality, taste etc of the oil whether you run hot or cold. If you're in it for oil, you run hot - hotter is better. For protein, you have to ...more  
Comment by Plantchecker on Mar 07, 2013 5:38pm
Foodhawk, in  reply to your 3/4/2013 post: (By the way..thanks for you quality posts : -) 1. In regards to selling something in America to get some cash flow....   The easiest thing to generate some cash flow in my opinion would be for BXI to licence use of its patented toasted meal technology to existing rape seed processing plants.  (I have not noticed this technology of theirs ...more  
Comment by gadfly222 on Mar 07, 2013 8:30pm
'My understanding, based on an email from Chris Schnarr in response to my question regarding it,  is that this aspect of the business has been bundled for the present into the strategic partner process. "  Read more at https://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/messagedetail.aspx?p=0&m=32290738&l=0&r=0&s=BXI&t=LIST#c2YSCAsPEkvtsWx7.99   Thank for sharing ...more  
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