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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum 5N Plus Inc FPLSF


Primary Symbol: T.VNP

5N Plus Inc. is a global producer of specialty semiconductors and performance materials. The Company deploys a range of technologies to develop and manufacture its products. The Company operates through two segments: Specialty Semiconductors and Performance Materials. Operating in North America and Europe, the Specialty Semiconductors segment manufactures and sells products used in several... see more

TSX:VNP - Post Discussion

5N Plus Inc > Hmmm
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Post by rational on Feb 28, 2024 11:13am

Hmmm

I hate to throw cold water on the strong financial results of late, but the company's history still concerns me, as an investor.

It boils down to this: I like to truly invest in companies by buying and holding long term if I believe they have a solid future AND assuming I will be rewarded accordingly. The latter condition, reward, is what gives me pause with VNP.

The earliest VNP listing I see on the tsx is december, 2007. So let's say I bought in then at $7.20. After all those years and company earnings/growth, I would be sitting today with a 40% loss! Compare the TSX total return index over that same period, which would have yielded me approximately 260%, and given that it is a much more diversified investment, I would have slept better throughout the period.

One key to the latter investment pertains to it being 'Total Return'. In other words, it pays a regular dividend. I know people will claim the company will grow faster if they reinvest all earnings in themselves, but what has that gotten investors over all these years.  And who is to say that the future unfolds as company representatives predict/hope. Lawsuits, new competitors, a regime shift in China...who can predict the future accurately.

A small, but growing, dividend with a modest payout ratio would have the following possible effects:
  • investory loyalty
  • a possible floor under share price
  • if payout ratio is modest, they could still reinvest heavily internally
I've been at this game for a long time, and I've heard the same rationale for zero dividends from execs at many other similar sized companies, and the one commonality I've witnessed is that when  such companies hit a rough patch or the general market tanks, the non-div company's share price  trends down to their tangible book value, because there is nothing else SOLID to support it; only management hyperbole. VNP Book value per share currently stands at approximately $1.73.

VNP anagement has been handsomely rewarded over the years. When do long term shareholders get to participate in the company's earnings?
Comment by Tslayer on Feb 28, 2024 1:41pm
Well said and I too prefer dividend paying vs growth stocks. I do maintain a few growth stocks that have done well over the last 5 years. This is one of them. I think it do well over the next 2 years so I am holding - for now. 
Comment by Possibleidiot01 on Feb 28, 2024 9:51pm
I was going to say I'm not sure it's a growth stock but then I went to tmx.com and I'm still not sure. Fiscal Year ends in Dec USD in Millions except per share data   YoY %Chg Dec 22 Dec 21 Dec 20 Dec 19 Total Revenue      ...more  
Comment by MacBook on Mar 01, 2024 12:06pm
china decouple big driver for VNP now. VNP now has access to steady NA feed stock expanded hiring FLSR is a major driver of growth.  Others will follow as chinese compounds become harder to acquire and FSLR expands US content. Revenue / profit are now in expansion mode. As near shoring bumped Celistica, VNP too is on the rise (again)   p { line-height: 115%; margin-bottom: 0 ...more  
Comment by rational on Mar 01, 2024 3:20pm
Potentially valid points, but I don't feel they address my long term concerns regarding investor rewards. 
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