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RF Capital Group Inc is a financial services firm. The company's operating segment includes Wealth Management and Corporate. It generates maximum revenue from the Wealth Management segment. The operations segment provides carrying broker services to third parties, including trade execution, clearing, and settlement services.

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Resource Capital Gold Corp > per share value of tax-loss credits
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Post by LeftBook on Feb 16, 2019 9:24am

per share value of tax-loss credits

Does anyone have a number for tax-loss credits that could be used along side the shareholder equity?
 
I know it depends on context. A larger company might just buy the whole thing  with tax-loss credits in mind. Shenanigans are possible or whatever.  It ain't worth nothin if the gold is the ground. Moving on ...
 
 
I am after a conversational number as if the company was going forward.
I am using $6M.
 
I started with $20M guesstimate and assumed the tax credits were applied $2M per year over 10 years. I computed a breakeven NPV using a 5% discount of the PEA.  The financial calculator spat out $7.72M.
 
I cut that down to $6M which is about 1/2 of 12.1M (pre-tax NPV of $121M over 10 years from the PEA). Yeah. a sharper knife might be more appropriate.
 
 
($13M + $6M)/175 = 10.8c/sh

or ... 

shhh, dude, it is already baked into the book value 

($13M+$0)/$175 = 7.4c/sh 
 
Comment by LeftBook on Feb 16, 2019 9:31am
going back to June 2016 when the company was just a shell $6M/45M = $13c/sh
Comment by damianchosenone on Feb 16, 2019 11:15am
Like I said ; sprott and Gibson have enough money and power to tell sprott lending to not takeover and work out a deal. It all depends how much value they see and if he believes he can make his money back on the 30 million shares he owns. The only question I have is how did he manage to sell 8 million shares end of December and who bought them?
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 1:15pm
absolutely disagree that Sprott and Gibson have the "power" over Sprott Lending to dictate what they do in this matter.  Gibson does not even work for Sprott Lending.  I would also surmise that becasue he is an equity holder personally, ES has a huge conflict of interest in regards to Sprott Lending.  Sprott Lending must act in its own best self-interest.  These ...more  
Comment by damianchosenone on Feb 16, 2019 2:26pm
And why would sprott lending want to take over the properties? They would make more money exercising warrants and getting more warrants. If you look at their track record, they actually provided more money to some companies that were in default or close to in the past.
Comment by lmcbain on Feb 16, 2019 3:25pm
The properties are a hard asset, where the value has no reliance on the management of the company. So while they "might" have more upside based on the investment in the company, there is a risk involved that doesn't exist with the simple ownership of the properties. Additionally, the resultant sale may create a scenario with the new buyer that offers just as much (or more) upside, as ...more  
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 3:42pm
Yes, Leigh...now you are talking.  Damian does not want to acknowledge that there is another alternative to Sprott Lending that may be more lucrative and secure for them.  Such as, a purchaser with a much better and cleaner balance sheet!!  Agree, not sure it will happen, but given all the corporate actions over the last month I can envison a scenario where it is the most likely and ...more  
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 3:31pm
Sprott Lending wants to get paid back.  Plain and simple.  RCG needs to raise $2.1M as soon as possible to pay off the tax authorities.  They were paying all these large salaries and forgot to pay the payroll and other associated taxes.  Sprott Lending will assess the credit wothiness of any deal that is put in front of them.  Seems to me, if there was a credible one, they ...more  
Comment by damianchosenone on Feb 16, 2019 3:41pm
Well rcg will still remain a company with its tax credits and the can look for new properties and financing.
Comment by lmcbain on Feb 16, 2019 4:18pm
Damian - again, you and I have had this discussion. The company will remain alive as a shell in need of a project, but with tax credits that can be leveraged, "IF" and only "IF" they can cover their debt load within the confines of a negoiated deal by running some onsite short term production and also selling off assets. Their ability to sell and cover that debt load, is not ...more  
Comment by damianchosenone on Feb 16, 2019 3:43pm
Do you know for sure they want to be paid back now and wont cooperate and work out some deal? Debt for shares or warrants or something?
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 3:49pm
Damian, you appear to have so much vested in this stock that you don't want to or won't listen.  No one knows for certain what Sprott lending will do.  However, if I was them and was working on a resturcturing package with the current RCG executives, I surely wouldn't take the actions that have been taken.  If I was ES and was going to support the company with an ...more  
Comment by damianchosenone on Feb 16, 2019 4:04pm
You are right! I just read the pwc insolvency papers that they filed yesterday. Sale is started! Rcg received an additional 2 million from sprott lending just to maintain mine and not let it flood.
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 4:13pm
So now the debt load has increased by another $2M.  $2.1M to tax authorities, $10.5M to Sprott Lending and an additonal $5.5M to unsecured creditors.  How will any thing be left for equity holders?  Very unlikely!
Comment by LeftBook on Feb 16, 2019 10:00pm
Leigh,   Based on your conversation with Cartmel, and  based on the pwc Status of File As At February 15, 2019  namely $2.2 million to fund operations ...   ... can you confirm that the numbers now look like this.   before $16M claims including Sprott Lending • $8.5M Sprott Lending • $2.2M CRA • $2M Gary Lewis • $3.3M claims of smaller creditors  ...more  
Comment by lmcbain on Feb 16, 2019 4:11pm
The one thing is that Sprott lending doesn't want to put a full squeeze on as long as the company still controls the sale of the properties, as that would diminish market value. They are better off acquiring the properties in lieu of the debt and selling themselves, as they would be able to afford to sell them while going thru a proper negotiating period, as opposed to "needing" to ...more  
Comment by therager on Feb 16, 2019 4:17pm
Agree and this has always been to me the most logical outcome.  In order to accomplish this Sprott Lending will have to pay the $2.1M tax liability then proceed with a deed in lieu of foreclosure action.
Comment by lmcbain on Feb 16, 2019 3:18pm
Damian - you and I have had that discussion offline (re: Sprott sale of shares in December. Unless you happen to either have access to Eric himself or the buyers AND know whichever party you do know well enough to get a straight unfiltered answer from them, you will never know the answer to that questoin. Having said that, there are multiple reasons it may have been done, including that it was ...more  
Comment by LeftBook on Feb 16, 2019 3:41pm
An alternative, hopefully less cryptic way to understand the value of tax-loss credits.   From the PEA (see below) ... invest $9M pay $30M of tax    scale by 2/3 invest $6M pay $20M of tax     $20M of tax credits have $6M of value   --- raw numbers can be found  PEA pg 207, 209 Capital, working capital, pre-production expense $9.8M Pre ...more  
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