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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Alterra Power MGMXD

Alterra Power Corp is a renewable energy company. It is primarily focused on development, construction, and operation of renewable power projects. The company's business has four major segments - Construction and Development, Geothermal, Hydro, Wind, and Solar.

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Post by calmandquiet on Mar 11, 2014 3:31pm

strategic direction

A few thoughts about Alterra from an outsider. I am not currently a shareholder.

I have been following Donald McInnes's companies since I was a student in 2005. Although I had no money to invest at the time, it was clear that Plutonic was a winner. In hindsight I should have bought on margin, but oh well.

I am long TGM.V, a company he is a board member of (based on its own fundamentals of course, but McInnes's involvement is what led me to check the company out).

The reasons why I am not as excited about Alterra are the following:

1. I dislike their primary asset in Iceland. They need to divest out of Iceland, and in my opinion, out of geothermal altogether. The recent video posted here showed that Ross Beaty seems to understand that now. What do some of the posters here think about the competitiveness of the aluminum plants which buy Orka's power? If the aluminum price continues to lag, will Glencore decide to shutter some of their aluminum operations to reduce global aluminum production? Will Orka's buyer be a survivor of that process, or is it weak relative to its peers? I don't know the answer. But I know that my capital is getting better returns elsewhere.

2. Bute Inlet is never going to happen. If you think it is, then either you're not from BC or you just have insufficient knowledge of BC politics and the current BC electricity market. Maybe it will in the distant future, 10+ years, if the stars align for LNG exports and Site C can't cover the demand. Highly unlikely. Bute Inlet is in the investor materials still so that they don't embarass themselves. It will be a "on the shelf" for a long, long time.

If Alterra divests from Iceland (it was a decent opportunistic buy after the crisis) then I would read that to mean that Beaty wants to deploy capital according to what he said in the video, i.e. renewable power for a remote North American mine. Maybe a solar plant to power a Nevada gold mine? A run of river hydro plant to power a northen BC mine or LNG facility? Just buy up other people's wind projects like an idiot? Maybe use the Iceland proceeds to ensure maximum ownership of the other Plutonic projects (the hydro extensions). Maybe build an offshore wind farm for Vancouver. That would be fantastic.

If the company moves away from geothermal and into wind, solar, and hydro, then a large part of Beaty's last five years of "schooling" in geothermal energy will be wasted. But his abilities and network, and that of the other leadership, still have winning potential. Hence I continue to watch the company. 

I tend to agree with the current valuation. The company is not trading at 0.25 book. It's trading at 1x book. The market has ignored all the "assets" in the balance sheet except the PPE that actually has value. All the other assets listed there are garbage. 0.30 a share is about right given the current earnings and outlook.  

Beaty needs to throw in the towel on the idea of a world class geothermal company. Will he do the rational thing, or does he have some ego tied up in the idea still? 

Just my thoughts.
Comment by carinthian on Mar 11, 2014 5:19pm
Thanks for your thoughts calmandquiet. Regarding Iceland: Beaty stated that it is tougher than he'd expected and therefore they started to move into other things like hydro, wind and solar which was the main reason for the merger with plutonic. Energy prices for smelters and industry should be the lowest in europe as far as I know so I'd say this might not be the reason to close smelters ...more  
Comment by veracruz on Mar 11, 2014 7:17pm
It is very nice to see a board where two educated people share useful and pertinent information in a professional manner...kudos! I tend to side with carinthian, but feel the potential for growth will be a quicker timeline. Powerful people, and powerful politicians, potentially can fill the sails in this alternative energy market. I personally see Alterra sitting strong and paying dividends ...more  
Comment by calmandquiet on Mar 12, 2014 3:47pm
Thanks for the replies and counterpoints. I didn't compare a junior miner to a ulility, but there is room for both in a portfolio. I only brought up True Gold because I was talking about Donald McInnes. And I do hold utilities (Capital Power and Transalta Renewables). I want Alterra to succeed, but I don't see the winning strategy yet. Hence I'm still not buying. There seems to be ...more  
Comment by Silvercat1 on Mar 12, 2014 8:06pm
Thx for your thoughts! But, what seems to be the problem? Ross Beaty told in an interview that he wants to go from Geothermal to Hydro/wind/solar! He has ADMIT that geothermal is to risky!He HAS swollow his "proud" in that case. And u also claim that they need to invest more in Wind/hydro?! Their next 2 project IS WIND and HYDRO, Shannon = 200mwh, and jimmie creek expansion = 62 mwh ...more  
Comment by calmandquiet on Mar 14, 2014 12:20pm
Beaty didnt say that geothermal was risky, he said the returns were low.  I am happy that they are pursuing the hydro and wind projects, although many wind projects have low returns as well. Solar is still a very expensive energy source as far as i know. Solar is difficult to even turn a profit absent some sort of government credit. Those credits are usually limited to a certain number of ...more  
Comment by carinthian on Mar 15, 2014 3:48am
I suppose you refer to this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe7aNENOz20 From 08:30 on he is mentioning risk in the overall business and the lower reutrn. Regarding geothermal he is referring to the RISK of drilling and hence he is expanding into wind, hydro and solar as he thinks geothermal is a tough business. To wind he says that problem is that it soesn't blow permanently, it ...more  
Comment by bob4977 on Mar 11, 2014 9:46pm
Calmandquiet, you gave some interesting arguments until you inferred you understood BC politics. Site C would be a large Hydro Electric project. It would supply a large part of the expected increase in BC power needs. I agree that more power on top of that would not be necessary unless there was massive expansion of LNG. My big disagreement with that argument is that there is no appetite in BC to ...more  
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