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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Kontrol Technologies Corp N.KNR

Alternate Symbol(s):  KNRLF

Kontrol Technologies Corp. is a provider of energy management, continuous air quality and emission solutions to commercial and industrial consumers. It delivers building intelligence through the Internet of things (IoT), software and cloud technology as well as project integration. Its smart technology is deployed to customers through a cloud-based interface accessible on desktops and mobile... see more

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Kontrol Technologies Corp > Thoughts on the BioCloud situation
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Post by dragon4lunch on Mar 22, 2021 12:03pm

Thoughts on the BioCloud situation

Hi all. I discovered this little company through an interview with the CEO of Kontrol, posted on a small cap (micro cap?) stock investor site, in October.

The surprisingly good vaccine news on November 9th (BioNTech/Pfizer) required re-evaluation of how much BioCloud could be worth. But it's far from worthless!

Let's assume the technology is legit (I give it at least 99% odds it's the real deal). Any company that can develop a technology like that, must have real value! Buying-up smart minds like that would easily be worth $50-$100m as a package, I figure. There's our floor. Do we really care about their IOT/ HVAC business? Seems like a commodity business and I'm not inclined to become knowledgable enough to value that. It's fair to say we're here because of the BioCloud.

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Some contra/pro points. We need to look at both sides here.

Why would a business get the BioCloud, if they can just have their employees vaccinated? We used to not worry about breathing the same air as others before the pandemic. Wouldn't we expect things to just go back to normal now?

- The pandemic has been such a major event (more than half a million Americans dead!!!) and habit-changing, that even with 95% reliable vaccine, do you really feel SAFE in an office setting or a restaurant, movie theater, concert, etc? If you're young, yeah, probably. But what about exposure to elders? Family get-togethers? Lasting longterm health effects?

Would a restaurant really invest in a BioCloud, if ignorance is bliss? Motivated reasoning will lead business owners to not feel responsible and it's hard to proove anyway, that guests caught the virus at your facility. If you have the BioCloud, you'd be required to interrupt diners mid-meal, allow them to not pay for their half-eaten meals.

- However, restaurants with BioClouds would have a clear advantage vs others, in attracting family get-togethers or large dinner parties. Once people become aware of a device that checks for the virus, of course they'd welcome a safe place, even if they just got the latest vaccine update!

Schools: Why, why, why haven't we had any news on installed pilot projects yet? At this point, they should have BioClouds in several classrooms, so they have a chance of a successful detection, which would then become local news and perhaps even be picked up by US-news! This would be MAJOR! It could snowball from there! Parents in all kinds of school districts would likely make themselves heard! They'd like the peace of mind, when their kids come home, that they can visit grandma no problem!

On the CEO.ca forum and twitter I've seen some Paul Ghezzi fanboy action. As soon as people are invested, they are biased towards success (ownership bias/confirmation bias) and thus it's easy to attribute good qualities to the figure-head of the investment. It's hard to judge sb's character from a few interviews/tweets. Paul seems honest and neither overly hyping nor the opposite. Kind of just right.

However, there has been a lack of communication and the unerwhelming, amateurish videos of the BioCloud in action (zooming-in on still images until you can see pixels... ehhh) didn't help in building excitement.

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The big, big counter to all the contra arguments: COVID, unfortunately, is likely to be a new reality for some time. It's not going to be over 2021. The virus variants and the shockingly large percentage of pupulation that behaves like fools will make it an ongoing struggle. How often will people require vaccination renewals? If you let it slide like a dentist appointment, you become an unaware potential virus spreader...

BioCloud could still become a major hit. Just picture how quickly news programs in North America (even internationally!) would pick up a story, where a wall-mounted box noticed the virus present and successul back-tracing was immediately done, preventing a superspreading event!

Governments could realize the value, as BioClouds would greatly help eradicate the virus! It would be worth... billions to find these situations quickly!

I could also see, from one day to the next, a major news item, where a large company (let's say Microsoft or Google!) orders thousands of units. They can easily afford it and they want their workers to feel comfortable and safe when they come to the office, like in the old days!

-------- And now?

It's a very difficult to value situation, given the information we have. Neither Paul nor we know if BioCloud will sell a couple hundred units or possibly hundreds of thousands.

The longer it takes to hear any sales numbers, the lower the odds. Kontrol might simply not have management with the right experience and connections to seriously promote a BioCloud. It's puzzling why we haven't had way more pilot projects announced. Get 100 free-of-charge units out there, with the only requirement, that publicity is welcomed should a detection event happen! We need news programs to pick it up!

Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 12:23pm
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Comment by dragon4lunch on Mar 22, 2021 12:44pm
Other than twitter, haven't used a forum for my thoughts on the BioCloud. [...]but once I get vaccinated, i won't give a rat's behind. We are all going to get Covid eventually [...] I don't agree with this sentiment. The idea is to NOT get a virus that can do permanent damage to your lungs! A major factor in figuring out the value of the BioCloud/Kontrol is: How long does ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 12:57pm
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Comment by dragon4lunch on Mar 22, 2021 1:24pm
Not to be pedantic, but the vaccine prepares your immune system to develop antibodies. Your immune system will then be able to handle the sars-cov-2 virus and you WILL NOT get Covid-19! Comparing COVID to the flu, after all the world has been through, doesn't sit right with me. If you get COVID, there is a better than 1 in a thousand chance you will actually die from it! If you're 50+, ...more  
Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 1:30pm
I wish you were right, but thats not true.  I sooooo wish you were right. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/you-can-still-spread-develop-covid-19-after-getting-a-vaccine-what-to-know
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 1:54pm
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Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 1:12pm
You would have to be a complete fool to get the shot and return to normal life as if nothing happened. The vaccine isnt 100% and many will still get covid -- just not as bad -- and wont have to be hospitalized.  Thats the key. And you can get it after the shot and be asymptomatic -- so you could spread it to others not vaccinated.  How utterly inconsiderate to get the shot and be so ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 1:20pm
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Comment by dragon4lunch on Mar 22, 2021 1:32pm
Hey pointer, Yout should tone it down. Words and phrases like "spew-spitting tantrum" and "stupid fool" don't speak well of your judgement. The words you choose are an indicator. I'll have to discount your investment opinions if this is your conduct online. 
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 1:46pm
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Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 3:00pm
Is pointy still here and ranting?  thought he sold today?  (one of the very few thousand sold just before he said it lol) pointy is a certified troll, dragon4lunch.  we know him well here. he posts all day.  you will have to lower your bar for him....he'e a real piece of work. looks like he is going to be the troll of trolls.  hangs around after he sells.
Comment by canyousayiii on Mar 22, 2021 3:21pm
First, Pointer was very clear that he did not sell everything, so to suggest that he should be gone because he sold is not based on facts. But don't facts get in the way, Wilander! If Pointer leaves, just wait for the KNR shares to go up on the next video showing the BioCloud!!! Right, Wilander? Pardon me for picking on a juvenile bully who continually shows up to an intellectual proverbial ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 4:21pm
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Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 3:40pm
I bet pointy's alias canyousayiii will be piping in for him, sowing doubt and defending him soon too.  just watch.  beyond predictable at this point.
Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 4:43pm
And just watch.  Now that he "sold" on a day when he clearly should not have....pointy will suddenly be telling us that he only sold a few and still has a sizeable position.  You cant write this fluff.  lol
Comment by BigDream2 on Mar 22, 2021 4:53pm
  He already stated he didn't sell everything.  Your post is pointless.
Comment by canyousayiii on Mar 22, 2021 4:59pm
BigDream, thank you for your objectivity. We need more folk to come out and run Wilander AND his multiple aliases off this board so we can have a good discussion for mutual benefit. Come on, folks, time to put these bullies in there place...2021.
Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 5:47pm
And pointy sold his "majority" when there were only about 30K shares sold and they were sold by many different houses so he only had a couple thou at best and now wants us to believe he still holds more than most of us. This is all just precious. And he admitted he had an alias on the weekend -- who is now his big defender on here, Ah well.  Pointy showed all his cards today ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 5:57pm
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Comment by canyousayiii on Mar 22, 2021 5:58pm
Where did he say that he sold most of his shares today? Your lack of cognitive ability is pervasive. Why don't you just stop posting and learn from the adults for who this is not their first investment?
Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 6:04pm
And lets face it.  We all know he "sold" today.  No way he could ever hold that info in for more than minutes.  Way too big a braggart.  Was trying to make himself look smart this morning and utterly failed. Back to the REAL discussion. 1.  Biocloud going into arenas 2.  Biocloud going into LTC 3.  Biocloud going into restaurants. 4.  Govt Budget ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 6:22pm
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Comment by wilander on Mar 22, 2021 6:43pm
And you really have to wonder about someones sanity, who sold a majority or half or some of his shares, today or friday (who knows it all keeps changing...) but is still messaging all friday, weekend and today. Creeeepy. Anyway we all know what we know now about pointy now.   Time to let it go. Thats my last post on this nonsense. Back to the REAL discussion. 1.  Biocloud going ...more  
Comment by pointer on Mar 22, 2021 8:32pm
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Comment by canyousayiii on Mar 22, 2021 4:56pm
Yes, folk that know me know that I i don't take kindly to little punks like you that think they will dominate the agenda and force empty thoughts on others. Just watch, thoughtful comments will continue, no doubt. Honest comments since I am not delusional to consider myself an influencer on global markets. You are stuck with me, scammer. Sorry, I buy to hold for a looong time. ;-)
Comment by Whydunnit on Mar 22, 2021 12:44pm
That's kind of what I'm thinking.  In Kontrol's core business they've historically probably signed one or two contracts a month, maybe less on average.  Slow and plodding, a good enough philosophy for the core but definitely not for a mass market situation like Biocloud.  Just one look at their videos is proof enough that they know nothing about pizzazz and creating ...more