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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Oncolytics Biotech Inc ONCY


Primary Symbol: T.ONC

Oncolytics Biotech Inc. is a clinical-stage biotechnology company. The Company is focused on developing pelareorep, an intravenously delivered immunotherapeutic agent that activates the innate and adaptive immune systems and weakens tumor defense mechanisms. This compound induces anti-cancer immune responses and promotes an inflamed tumor phenotype turning cold tumors hot through innate and... see more

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Oncolytics Biotech Inc > Company buyout price vs share price.
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Post by canadafan on Jan 23, 2024 3:30pm

Company buyout price vs share price.

I have written to this issue a few times. & as others have acknowledged, the buyout price of a company has. ZERO, to do with the trading shareprice.
Yes the # gets accociated as a multiple of SP at news time. Nice simple comparable.
However not in any way related to the negotiations.
As a buyer of ONC for example. The price would need to be justified internally at the aquiring company.
In simple math, what could owning Onc, its patents, the potential future income from co- therapy with the aquiring company,s drugs etc.
In a perfect world that math would be easy. Number of patients x treatment price = potential annual income. What is the required financial outlay to just that income.
That would be the case with an approved marketable product.
Pre- approval, adds in mutiple layers of doubt. Those who take the time to read analysts reports see those " discount" rates used in their numbers.
So who decides?
In negotiations, both sides have internal reporting requirements. All meetings & discsions are documented.
As well a third party " fair price evaluation" would be undertaken.
That report would form part of any agreement, placed out for shareholders approval.
why?
Obviously, after the fact it would be easy ( has happened), shaeholders of either side launch a class action. Being sold for too little, or bought for too much.
Point being & you can find a great explanation on investopedia, " value of biotech companies"
People like to say Matt wants this or that. True!
However, in a buyout situation, the B.O.D. Has final say not operating management.
Why, do these things take so long?
I have been part of no less than 6 companies taken over.
The voting package includes negotiations details, up to & including when talks first started.
Assuming Roche decided they wanted to own Onc. 

Upfront talks would happen. Leading to a NDA. Then accountants, lawyers & clinical advisors get involved.
Once a reasonable decision is made, an outside consultant would be brought in to provide audited, validated opinion of valuation.
The negotiations would Center around that.
At no time in any of those calculations does the trading share price come into discussion.
onc value would be based on future income to the aquiring company.
Could Onc be bought out for mutiple billions?
100% depends on the potential oF income from Pela.
nothing more , nothing less.

When they talked about de- risking. There are financial as well as clinical implications from trial certainty.
in any business " doubt = discount"
Longer & additional trial results remove various doubts. It takes longer, but if positive greatly increases what an aquiring company is willing to pay.
Both companies need to justify a final negotiated price....backed with documents, valuation reports & third party opinions.
All available at voting time.
Stay tuned.

Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 4:00pm
Yes Canadafan you have "written" on this many times .. but many of your wrongs don't necessarily make you right. For example"de-risking", involves removing many of the unknowns surrounding clincal development and demonstrates that a drug is effective. In other words "de-risking" is a "win-win-win" for patients, biotech (the acquirer) and investors (both ...more  
Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 4:05pm
Big Pharma is more and more often acquiring early stage comanies that have not de-risked either their companies' or their products. And I have repeatedly posted on this subject.
Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 4:31pm
Just one example is Trillium Therapeutics, a Phase 1 company that Pfizer acquired for US $2.3 Billion in 2021. Pfizer's acquisition price had nothing to do with Trillium offering "de-risked" assets.  https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-acquire-trillium-therapeutics-inc So if ONCY wants a US$14+ Billion acquisition offer, like Karuna ...more  
Comment by canadafan on Jan 23, 2024 4:51pm
Notable, not sure why you find the need to attack me? im on the same page/ boat/ team you are. I believe Pela & ONC has huge potential & upside. in broader sense, I do not disagree with any of your posts.  I just do like to look at different points of reference. back to de risking. With the added biomarker requested & further trial results....Onc is worth a lot more now than ...more  
Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 5:04pm
Canadafan, if you are not sure why, then let me very clear. Stop posting the speculative and the  irrelevant that has everything with your perverse home-spun "opinion".
Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 5:35pm
....  that has everything to do with .....
Comment by Quentin30 on Jan 23, 2024 5:49pm
What you are missing Canaduh, is that ONCY NEEDS a partner in order to make Pela worth anything... ONCY needs money...  and just who are the competing suitors now... The whole point of Bracelet-1 was to create a competitive landscape. Bracelet-1 failed with respect to the Checkpoint Inhibitor arm... so that (potential) partner is out...  If no-one wanted to pony up for the mBC Phase ...more  
Comment by Azzak34 on Jan 23, 2024 5:50pm
Good luck to us, right?
Comment by Noteable on Jan 23, 2024 5:56pm
Merck KGaA's Bavencio's may be out, as you say  ... but Roche, Pfizer, Incyte, BMS and others checkpoint inhibitors are in !
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