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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Almonty Industries Inc T.AII

Alternate Symbol(s):  ALMTF

Almonty Industries Inc. is a Canada-based company, which is engaged in the mining, processing and shipping of tungsten concentrate, as well as the exploration and evaluation of its projects. The Company operates through four segments: Los Santos Mine, Panasquiera Mine, Valtreixal Project, and Woulfe. The Los Santos Mine is located in Spain whose operations relate to the exploration and mining... see more

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Almonty Industries Inc > Input vs Output, TPA vs TPH.
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Post by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 21, 2022 12:21pm

Input vs Output, TPA vs TPH.

Nearly all mine processes rate the mines as Tonnes Per Hour of raw ore throughput/Input or feed rates (all the same), and the Output/Product is always variable due to grades, feed quality and process plant efficiencies, so it makes sense to quote feed rates rather than product rates to the shareholders because most investors have no idea, but they do like big numbers. lol.

It does sound nice to hear 1.2 mil tpa througput, but in perspective it is 137 tph, or 2.28 Tonnes Per Minute.
Hell McDonalds does more in potatoes to make hash browns world wide. lol

2.0 mil tpa is 228 tph throughput or 3.8 Tonnes Per Minute.
Still small potatoes.
The plant can handle much more imho.

When you break down the impressive "Millions of Tonnes Per Year" to hours, it kind of takes the edge off a bit, plus it is raw ore and not product.
They can assure a steady feed rate but not a reliant output.

Density, Mass and Volume are some points to rating and designing a plant and should be not compared to other minerals..

The Sangdong raw ore is very dense (Tungsten, Granite, Quartz and some), the Mass is the weight of these materials (Kilos or Tonnes) and the Volume is the 
Physical Space or size it takes up in an area.
ie A kilo of raw Tungsten ore might fit into a 0.5 to 0.75 litre container (for expample only), while a kilo of raw corn kernels cooked and popped (with salt and butter) might fill a container size of 1.9 to 2.5 litres (depending on the website you visit).
Same mass, but different density and volume.

In the coal mining plants that I have worked on, the feed rates were generally from 600 to 1,200 tph and raw run of mine coal is generally mixed with shale, dirt and soft rock.
Lower density, lower mass and higher volume.

I'll tag this one on to save me reposting.
From Quarterdollar :-

  • "According to 5ilver, there isn't a lot of room on site for more mining equipment or is there?"
 
Remember I said I had an obsession with the "Grey Buiding" ?
I now think Almonty knew way in advance that the shallow Molly site was a goer, plus the Downstream Project  is to be incorporated into to process, so if they use the "grey building" for this there is no need for more space. It was all allocated well in advace.
All this has been years in the making and as usual, guess who finds out last ?

Now I have talked myself into getting some microwave popcorn damn it.
And toothpicks. lol

 
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 21, 2022 1:58pm
thanks for the info 5ilver !!! I would like to see if you are right about the grey building as it makes sense. ....and I totally agree with you, LB is way ahead with his strategic planning. I think LB likes to give pleasant surprise NRs to shareholders and that only happens with very good planning. I did my spreadsheet calculations for profit, free cash per share (i.e. potential ...more  
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 22, 2022 12:05pm
After re-watching these old vids you can see piles of raw ore  sitting on the ground that should be the site for the process plant, some temp buildings as well. This ore pile would have come from the face of the first strike 600 metre zone that is or should be ready for mining when the process plant is ready. That ore pile is high grade and well worth keeping as it is not burden, and you can ...more  
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 23, 2022 10:35am
I have been looking back on my old drawings from the Woulfe Mining Corp days to compare raw ore feed rates to the mills. The WMC plan had two streams of mills side by side, so the feed was split to feed two rod mills followed by two ball mills and each stream would receive 200 tph (400 tph total) which is 3.5 mil tpa. Impressive ? Yes. Achievable ? Yes. Desirable, Feasible, Viabile ? Not really.  ...more  
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 23, 2022 7:30pm
3.5M tpa??  I know you know your stuff because I have to ask are you sure????? Because it aligns with my spreadsheet calculations
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 24, 2022 2:21am
@5ilver... 3.5M tpa??  I know you know your stuff but I have to ask are you sure????? Because it aligns with my spreadsheet calculations
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 24, 2022 3:44am
After crushing and screening 250 tph will feed a 28,600 Tonne stockplie which has 2 conveyors unerneath that feed 200 tph each to the 2 mill steams. I know the feed to the stockplie does not match the feed to the mills, hence the massive stockpile. You have mail
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 24, 2022 6:09am
Just a bit of a backflip here, but after some thought and recollections from 2013 I think the feed rate to the mills is in total a bit more than 200 tph which is 1.75 mil tpa for both mill streams (100+ tph each). But if one mill stream goes down due to equipment breakdowns or regular maintenance the other stream can ramp up to 200 tph to take the load and keep the process operating at peak ...more  
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 24, 2022 9:18am
Just remember this is something from Woulfe Mining Corp days and does not reflect the workings of the Almonty project process. After a closer look at my flowsheet I see 200 tph feed to both mill steams each and 100 tph output from the first mills in both streams. So as I said earlier the crushing and screening is set as a non-variable rate of tonnes per hour of feed (to some extent). After that ...more  
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 25, 2022 10:27am
That makes sense..... part of Almonty's brand is guarantting delivery in a timely manner. To guarantee delivery geographically, you need to own multiple mines. To guarantt delivery locally, you need redundancy in equipment. LB has incorporated redundancy within the design at Sangdong. @ 5ilver, at our age you are entitled to a brain fart every so often.
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 25, 2022 10:49am
You have still not checked your messages.
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 25, 2022 11:18am
To read your messages go to the top of the Stockhouse page while logged in and click on the down arrow to the right of your avitar then click messages. It is a private chat room.
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 25, 2022 1:25pm
@5ilver,  sorry.... I have been busy.  I forgot to check my messages.
Comment by 5ilverlining808 on Jul 27, 2022 10:26am
From QuarterDollar to me :- "If you are saying there is only one stream with Almonty, then how does the plant stay up 24x7?  It doesn't seem to me that LB would take the risk of anything that could cause an interruption in ore processing. Reliability and consistency is the brand that LB is selling to distinguish Almonty from all other players. There has to be some ...more  
Comment by QuarterDollar on Jul 27, 2022 10:43am
Thanks for the clarification 5ilver !!!!
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