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[whoisyourpapa]

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[whoisyourpapa]

I'm reading this morning that both the US and Germany have authorized Ukraine to use their weapons to strike cities within Russia. The Russia/Ukraine war is more officially a Russia/Nato war now. . .

[cubesoftungsten]

It will be a NATO/Russia war when there are NATO Troops and Materiel in Ukraine. It is still Ukraine using old NATO weapons with limited training and diminishing manpower. The West still seems to be hoping Russia will either collapse or back down. Either way, the West is rearming (though hesitantly), China is also arming themselves, and Russia is in a full on war economy. I don't see how

[whoisyourpapa]

Plenty of rumors by those in the know that NATO troops are already in Ukraine, it just hasn't been announced yet. But we will see I guess. . .  Good luck on the hope by the west of Russia backing down.

[cubesoftungsten]

Special operators have likely been there since 2014 but regular troops no.

[whoisyourpapa]

The rumors ARE about regular troops but that's neither here nor there and ultimatley irrelevant to this chat board.  Rumors are just that and as I said we will see. . . whois

[GaiusGermanicus]

Some of those "old NATO weapons" haven't even been deployed to our own guys yet.  Ukraine has become the planetary test grounds for EVERYONES new weapons.

[5ilverlining808]

Spot on that one Gaius. And that is the way it has been for all past wars and conflicts in the World, as every time this happens technologies are boosted to the max, which are also benefitial to help all in the future at some time. I remember the very cheap cardboard bomb drones sent to Ukrain that are very effective. It is like a leathal toy plane. Beyond that, we have pandemics and other bugs

[whoisyourpapa]

For that matter Ukraine is the West's testing ground for a lot of despicable things. . .