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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Athabasca Oil Corp T.ATH

Alternate Symbol(s):  ATHOF

Athabasca Oil Corporation (AOC) is a Canadian energy company with a focused strategy on the development of thermal and light oil assets. AOC’s segments include Light Oil and Thermal Oil. The Thermal Oil segment includes the Company’s assets, liabilities and operating results for the exploration, development and production of bitumen from sand and carbonate rock formations located in the... see more

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Athabasca Oil Corp > Timing in oil sector can make or break you.
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Post by PUNJABI on Mar 27, 2021 2:41pm

Timing in oil sector can make or break you.

If you want to make money in the stock market educate yourself and become very objective and learn to time the markets correctly.  There is nothing like buy and hold long-term investors unless you are very young and time is on your side and you don’t want big returns in short term. 
 
The oil sector is very complex with massive fluctuations. Everything depends on the oil prices and there are so many factors that influence oil prices. I think the oil sector is changing very fast and will be different in 10 years when combustion engine restrictions are imposed in many cities and countries.  Things can change earlier if there is a bigger break though in car batteries. Some of the institutional investors have refused to invest money in oil. The flow of money is reducing in the sector so the level of investments will drop too and the supply may be impacted.
 
While investing in the oil sector one has to see and understand the large picture of the oil sector.  I consider Oil as a rotating sector. Sell and get out in a declining trend and when the time is right and there are indications of reversal like there was time to load up when all oil stocks were destroyed and priced for bankruptcy.  
 
 The shareholders that were fully invested and did not get out in time and could not reload or average down at the bottom because they were sitting on huge losses or did not have cash did not benefit from huge lifetime opportunities in the oil sector. Swings in stocks were massive. Some stocks have rebounded back 5 to 9 times from the bottom.  Some long-term shareholders are still sitting on huge losses when others had timed the market and have made a fortune.  You don’t have to catch the bottom or the top just the part of the trend in time. At times it requires courage and understanding of the commodity cycle.
 
Staying with the trend and commodity cycle is important and so is managing exposure.  One should learn to benefit from them and have a plan.  There are quite a few techniques.
 
Eric Natull Indicator :

E. Nutall is a smart professional investor in the field of oil. He is knowledgeable and understands the sector and has access to more research and contacts with Oil CEOs. He is better informed than most and especially retail investors. Because he has a decent amount of funds and buys and sells oil stocks so one needs to follow him too but carefully.  He buys and sells a decent number of shares so he impacts the share price in short term. The impact on small float stocks is huge.
 
The problem with Nutall is that he has his own agenda and he will always pump oil and the stocks that he has already bought. He will talk selectively about the factors that help and promote his agenda and would omit to mention the shortcoming. He paints an exaggerated bullish picture that benefits him.  He will continue to pump oil sector even when it is time to exit the oil sector. His livelihood depends on a bullish outlook for oil.
 
 He will never bash oil and the stocks that he owns and find the weakness in the stocks that he does not own. So when listening to him you should discount some of the exaggerations. He is a trader he is in and out of stocks constantly and will change his tune often.
 
 He makes big mistakes too. Not too long ago he was heavily invested in US oil stocks that did not do well. The pumping on the Canadian channel did not help and his selection of stocks did not work out. He is now mostly in Canadian stocks.
 
 Nutall indicator can be used to our advantage and one should benefit from his research,  One should try to buy these stocks before he pumps them. You can find his top 10 stock list in the fund prospectus on the website. Track his holding and when the size of the holding drops or it is all gone then it means he has sold it. If a new stock shows up then he has added a new position and will be pumping his top holdings.  He is always rotating.
 
He exploits and uses the market call to his benefit. You have to be smart enough to figure out the Nutall indicator and use it to your advantage.
 
 
Learn to perform proper DD and fundamental analysis. Look at debt to cash flow and debt ratios. The decline rate of the oil company. Cost of production and the current oil prices and the size of the hedges and their prices. Learn about the stock you are invested in. You should know every weakness about it.
 
 
Learn technical analysis: Moving average gives you the tend of the sector and stock. There are all kinds of other indicators. RSI is my favorite. Gives overbought and oversold signals. Simple and very reliable.


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Tiny short position left around 2 million shares only. at one time 29 million shares were shorted. This means the stock is undervalued and shorting is risky at these prices.

Short Positions for ATH

Symbol Report Date Volume Change Shares Issued % Float
T : ATH 2021-03-15 2,064,561 -473,609 530,675,391 0.39
T : ATH 2021-02-28 2,538,170 -527,826 530,675,391 0.48
T : ATH 2021-02-15 3,065,996 332,097 530,675,391 0.58
T : ATH 2021-01-31 2,733,899 425,758 530,675,391 0.52
T : ATH 2021-01-15 2,308,141 -199,496 530,675,391 0.43
T : ATH 2020-12-31 2,507,637 156,392 530,675,391 0.47
T : ATH 2020-12-15 2,351,245 -1,448,438 530,675,391 0.44
T : ATH 2020-11-30 3,799,683 -543,223 530,675,391 0.72
T : ATH 2020-11-15 4,342,906 -422,986 530,675,391 0.82
T : ATH 2020-10-31 4,765,892 -24,298,879 530,675,391 0.90
T : ATH 2020-10-15 29,064,771 -68,785 530,675,391 5.48
T : ATH 2020-09-30 29,133,556 -104,842 530,675,391 5.49


House Positions for C:ATH from 20210326 to 20210326
House Bought $Val Ave Sold $Val Ave Net $Net
2 RBC 1,328,455 640,642 0.482 789,572 382,957 0.485 538,883 -257,685
7 TD Sec 1,704,652 820,126 0.481 1,486,472 717,765 0.483 218,180 -102,361
88 Credential 347,500 168,888 0.486 146,202 71,427 0.489 201,298 -97,461
79 CIBC 1,050,613 508,486 0.484 857,900 413,644 0.482 192,713 -94,842
124 Questrade 302,828 145,494 0.48 166,374 79,192 0.476 136,454 -66,302
85 Scotia 344,521 165,921 0.482 238,340 116,424 0.488 106,181 -49,497
19 Desjardins 85,175 41,173 0.483 10,735 5,202 0.485 74,440 -35,971
80 National Bank 193,333 92,745 0.48 123,996 59,663 0.481 69,337 -33,082
89 Raymond James 21,000 10,128 0.482 100 48 0.48 20,900 -10,080
72 Credit Suisse 19,000 9,120 0.48 0   19,000 -9,120
59 PI 15,000 7,350 0.49 0   15,000 -7,350
53 Morgan Stanley 13,500 6,435 0.477 200 95 0.475 13,300 -6,340
36 Latimer 3,500 1,673 0.478 1,646 794 0.482 1,854 -879
28 BBS 200 96 0.48 0   200 -96
212 Virtu 0   300 145 0.483 -300 145
39 Merrill Lynch 500 245 0.49 1,000 487 0.487 -500 242
13 Instinet 169,000 81,422 0.482 170,500 81,962 0.481 -1,500 540
84 Ind Trading 1,897 924 0.487 6,846 3,308 0.483 -4,949 2,384
22 Fidelity 0   20,000 9,750 0.488 -20,000 9,750
5 Penson 11,600 5,561 0.479 79,050 38,289 0.484 -67,450 32,728
57 Interactive 2,000 980 0.49 92,000 44,620 0.485 -90,000 43,640
9 BMO Nesbitt 198,925 96,697 0.486 400,750 194,073 0.484 -201,825 97,376
33 Canaccord 113,000 54,268 0.48 582,500 279,104 0.479 -469,500 224,836
1 Anonymous 2,655,849 1,282,047 0.483 3,407,565 1,641,474 0.482 -751,716 359,427
TOTAL 8,582,048 4,140,421 0.482 8,582,048 4,140,423 0.482 0 2
Comment by Backinblack1000 on Mar 27, 2021 2:46pm
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Comment by AppreciateOil21 on Mar 28, 2021 8:39am
This was a great post Punjabi! More content like this and people here could actually learn something. I do have one issue with your post. This eric Nutall motif and how much he influences the movement in SP is almost negligible. Eric Nutall goes on BNN Market Call to show off how smart he is! He goes on that program to impress people to buy his fund. Is Eric in and out of stocks frequently? Yes of ...more  
Comment by PUNJABI on Mar 28, 2021 1:04pm
There are few active energy fund managers and analysts left in Canada and quite a few retail investors listen to the market and Natull for energy stock review. He knows a lot more than other fund managers about energy stocks because he only deals with the energy sector. They invest all their resources in energy sector only. In the case of ATH he has bought 9.9 shares outstanding directly from the ...more  
Comment by AppreciateOil21 on Mar 28, 2021 1:44pm
Again some great points. Almost as if your reading from retail investing for dummies! However I am not a fan of the black & white narrative that Eric Nutall alone decides where these prices go. There are a good couple dozen Canadian small & mid cap upstream oil and gas producers. Each stock tests their range and drops to a support frequently. Eric Nutall's devoted followers do not play ...more  
Comment by Backinblack1000 on Mar 28, 2021 1:50pm
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Comment by Chris007 on Mar 28, 2021 1:55pm
The market timing issue is not exclusive to oil, but rather all commodities, basically. If you also bought copper producers or lumber producers around last March - April, those have all since become multi-baggers.  On the flipside, if you bought gold miners late last fall, right before he vaccine news and rise in bond yields, you have gotten absolutely killed.
Comment by Moemoney42 on Mar 28, 2021 5:57pm
Comment by Eigen337 on Mar 28, 2021 2:54pm
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