Post by
Maxmoe on Oct 08, 2021 10:46am
Oh yee of little faith
Yes ATH is a high torque call on oil. Yes it has a big debt issue coming due fast. Yes, nobody would lend them money at typical commercial terms 5 years ago. That's why the current debt is $USD bonds that trade on a 3rd tier german exchange or by appointment only on private exchanges in North America. I know because I frantically, angrily tried to buy the bonds at 18 all the way to 40 and settled on just buying more stock November 4th at 11 cents. So nobody will offer traditional commercial debt to ATH this year either. No surprise. Owning debt in ATH, a high torque producer which proved how vulnerable it is to low oil prices, is akin to making an equity bet in terms of risk. So debt investors can demand whatever they want to compensate for the "equity like" risk they are taking on. Why not ask for some equity sweetener? It's not at all uncommon. I've not seen a lot of cashless warrants, but it's very common to see warrants attached to a debt issue. Why cashless? Because ATH does not the 94 cents in cash from the warrant exercise. Now or ever. For the debt buyers, they are indifferent. Cashless or not they get a piece of upside above the exercise price. They aren't "gifted" a piece of the company but rather than exercise at 94 warrants and sell the stock, the company is effectively creating the market for the exercise and sale and buyback of the newly issued shares all in one "simple" step. The message from ATH is "we don't need any cash", "we have surplus cash".
Comment by
Chris007 on Oct 08, 2021 10:52am
LOL...i would hardly call this refinance a "triumph"...
Comment by
Maxmoe on Oct 08, 2021 11:02am
Who said it was a "triumph" ?? You think you or anyone else could have got better terms? You just shooting your mouth off about something you don't own because you sold it at 50? Or less? Or never owned? Would you buy bonds paying 10% coupon for 5 years with no equity kicker? You better stick with SU and Bell.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Oct 08, 2021 11:16am
Um, no, never expected 5% rate. Nobody did. Stop trying to justify your poor decisions. Weren't you the guy that's been poo pooing ATH for the last year until it went up so much it became embarrassing for you? Disappear back to the SU board. Every oil stock has been a great investment. SU is a bargain as well. Way less torque ( aka upside), but way less downside if oil crashes again.
Comment by
Chris007 on Oct 08, 2021 11:19am
I have indeed been "poo pooing" ATH, because they deserve to be poo pooed. Are they a good and well run energy company? NO Are they trading so cheap, that the value is hard to ignore? ABSOLUTELY
Comment by
Maxmoe on Oct 08, 2021 11:44am
hahaha, hahaha. Stop. You're killing me. What a goof. Let's take a trip down memory lane and post your poo poo from the past?
Comment by
Nothingmatters on Oct 08, 2021 11:55am
Maxy pa was an accountant hired by enron. Thats why he might not understand that even though SP is doing okay does not mean that company is run well.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Oct 08, 2021 10:54am
And here is another bottom line assessment from me. If you think these bonds are so egregiously expensive for ATH and its shareholders..... BUY THEM! Go ahead. I'll bet you can't or won't because the minimum is probably $10k but please post here if you find a broker that will sell to mere retail investors like us. Even if it's $100k.