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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRPF | T.BBD.PR.B | BDRXF | T.BBD.PR.C | T.BBD.PR.D | BOMBF | BDRAF | T.BBD.B | BDRBF

Bombardier Inc. is a Canada-based manufacturer of business aircraft with a global network of service centers. The Company is focused on designing, manufacturing and servicing business jets. The Company has a worldwide fleet of more than 5,000 aircraft in service with a variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments and private individuals. It... see more

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Bombardier Inc. > I Voted. I hope you will.
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Post by BBDB859 on Mar 30, 2022 8:06pm

I Voted. I hope you will.

I voted against PB.
"   "          "        all the amendments including Consolidation.

The way I see things is simple.

PB has to go. They all make more money than most people in those posts in the world markets. Whether Management and/or Manufacturing Jobs. The company is cutting back in SG&A and OP expenses. These are not times for raises or more spending. 

On consolidation. I voted NO, because I don't even care, when the price of the Shares will climb to from $1.50 to as people say "no more than $10". Because there are too many outstanding shares out. I would still make more money than going to $20.00 on consolidation, and having the shares climb to $200.00.

I don't forsee the shares of Bombardier ever going to $200 SP anyways. But I can see them hitting $10 dollars SP, without Consolidation, from now to 2026/7. The company should be @ $1.5B FCF, and $1B +FCF, and $3.8B, + or - on LTD by 2025. That to me is a good pace. We've done great FINANCIALLY in one year (2021). Think of how good we'll do 5 or 6 years from now?
Comment by dreamer05 on Mar 30, 2022 9:46pm
I agree with you. I am going to vote No. to consolidation and no to the people who  planed to it. I have more than 135K  votes. I plead my fellow shareholders to do the same.
Comment by Luckyeleven on Mar 30, 2022 10:19pm
All sharehoders should exercise their vote no matter how many shares they own. Imo they will have the votes to do whatever the heck they want as well increasing compensation which is sad. It sems always some kind of drama with the bomber which creates uncertainty. Many here saying how well the company is doing but the shareprce and market says different. All markets near all time highs despite the ...more  
Comment by gossamer9 on Mar 30, 2022 10:42pm
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Comment by Acuras1 on Mar 31, 2022 9:54am
With respect 859, I'm not sure it's easier to raise market cap with a $30 dollar stock than a $3 dollar one with the type of shareholders that buy buy stocks under $5.00. GLTA
Comment by BBDB859 on Mar 31, 2022 2:50pm
Hi Acuras. I peronally don't give my heed to Market Cap. I find it useless. Just otstanding shares X SP. It's not indicative of the company's real value either. The bomber SP is so manipulate too, so you can't say that it's SP is accurate. I know it's used for certain Evaluations. But the only thing I'm interested in is good constant Revs, FCF, +FCF, Debt reducts ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Mar 31, 2022 3:11pm
859.. Market cap is important when it comes to criteria required to list . The share is important to those such as institutions as one of the requirement to invest. It is becoming less and less critical as they continue to deleverage..more important to me is their ability to service the debt and their improvement of FCF.   The present share price is  3 $$ or so above current book ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Mar 31, 2022 3:50pm
Operating CF/share is = $5.29 SP/CF = 2.23 Market Cap/cf = $5.28 Does that tell you that the stock is way undervalued?
Comment by clubhouse19 on Mar 31, 2022 4:42pm
859 What is the expected cash flow for the year   Market cap value / cash flow or  2.3 B X  $1.44 / cash flow for 12 months =  ???   value of 10-20 is considered good Is expected cash flow for 2022    50 million $$  if so the ratio is 66...
Comment by Bottoms on Mar 31, 2022 4:52pm
But at $500M CF in 2025, the ratio is only 6.6 I guess that makes for yet another indicator for a 3x in 3 years?
Comment by HopefulJuan on Mar 31, 2022 5:53pm
Blackberry with annual revenue of $185 million market cap is 1.5x BBD with revenue of $6 billion. Share price is 6x. Not logical 
Comment by johnney on Mar 31, 2022 6:34pm
do not forget the $6.7B US od debt and their evaluation CCC+ and drowning outstanding shares!
Comment by Acuras1 on Mar 31, 2022 7:45pm
Let me put it to you differently 859: Market cap doesn't mean anything.  My point is ALL that matters is FCF numbers per each share and to make the shares more attractive to all institutional buyers, including foreign pension funds. Your point is well taken that it's easier to bring a stock from $1.50 to say $15 than from than from $15 to $150. But regardless of share price all ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Apr 01, 2022 11:37am
Ya Acuras, I get your drift. Your saying that if the Bomber increases things like EPS, It'll increase the interest for the shares by Institutions. Therefore better for us shareholders. The point you're making makes sense to meon regards to the shorting. Because when an Institution sees this dilution/RS, for this small increase in EPS it does very little to increase their demand for the ...more  
Comment by Acuras1 on Apr 01, 2022 3:34pm
The reverse split announcement took most by surprised, especially since considerable progress  has been achieved throughout 2021. The previous announced request for a RS seemed to make  more sense in the crucial transition of the company pre sale of rail and structures and especially so when shares were taken off the TSX. I was actually pleasantly surprised the RS strategy was never ...more  
Comment by Acuras1 on Apr 01, 2022 8:47pm
Forgot to reply on my comment about market cap. It means nothing and my failure to express myself clearly:) Whether share price is $3 per share or $30 per share upon a 1 for 10 RS, the company's financial metrics per share remain the same. Point was simply to highlight the institutional side has preference for stocks above $5.00 GLTA
Comment by BBDB859 on Apr 02, 2022 12:19am
Sorry Acuras. I was in a hurry when I wrote my earlier post noon today. When I noticed this post by you tonight. I don't know if this was directed towards me though.The only Thing I might add to your post, on Institutional preference for stocks of higher than $5 is. Yes I believe you're correct, they have certain rules, in fact they have to follow them, before they invest in certain ...more  
Comment by Acuras1 on Apr 02, 2022 10:37am
I totally agree that should a RS be implemented, the place and timing of the RS must be very carefully chosen. Doing a RS today would bring little benefit, except bring up share price, leaving the company just as vulnarable to shorts.  However, I don't understand "other than dilution". I'm not looking to bust anyone's balls here, rather a little clarification on how ...more  
Comment by Shamhorish on Apr 06, 2022 12:18pm
what you say is good yess but imo , consolidation will increase share price + show better earning per share + and with more earning per share management can start to pay dividants all of the above, conso. fcf, higher sh.p,, higher earning per share, deividants will with no doubt bringing many buyers single investores and institutions (long bbd) all of the above will raise bbd to a different and ...more  
Comment by bicente on Apr 06, 2022 12:28pm
A while back , when the bomber started talking about shareholder value , the ultimate goal was to bring back the dividend ( even if it minor)  to help the shareholders gain back some lost value .. with a reverse split they can issue a higher dividend per share with the reverse share split done ...it gives a boost to the share price ... I've just seen it with Coca-Cola ...$.02 extra have ...more  
Comment by Shamhorish on Apr 06, 2022 12:56pm
bicente, yesssss     agree as you said    ""bring back the dividend ( even if it minor)  to help the shareholders gain back some lost value""
Comment by clubhouse19 on Apr 06, 2022 1:28pm
I fail to understand why a dividend at 1 cent or 1/4 cents per qtr would inhibit the stock from being so volatile ?   Would it make more sense after the RS and as an added incentive to get institutions involved ? ...Possibly !!   Still doesn't make sense in my view.   Dividends are a distribution of profits, and I don't see how any amount, considered profit on the balance ...more  
Comment by PabloLafortune on Mar 31, 2022 12:16pm
859, I see no down side to voting yes of consolidation and some upside. No doubt everyone should vote yes to consolidation. I did with Precision Drilling and was richly rewarded.
Comment by Jd007gobbd on Mar 31, 2022 12:36pm
I voted as well but not in favour! Not a good thing!
Comment by Shamhorish on Mar 31, 2022 1:57pm
i voted yes to voted yes to consolidation and to the board consolidation will reduce float == A good thing family in control == BBD WILL STAY CANADIAN
Comment by BBDB859 on Mar 31, 2022 2:41pm
Hey Pablo. I'm not saying 100% that consolidation won't be of some benefit. We could get a double bagger in a couple years. But then, it will just start to fizzle. Bombardier just doesn't have the reputation for ever Being a $60 to $80 stock. Where as PD does have a reputation for trading, at those high SP's in the past. I remember trading PD in the late 70's early 80's ...more  
Comment by PabloLafortune on Mar 31, 2022 4:40pm
859, I don't know why they are doing it, if its a standalone "move" or part of a plan (securities law is complex and Canada has its own set of laws and rules. Recently happened upon this CW Capital company (symbol CRWN) and they did some corporate transactions that I didn't know a company could do).  I agree the stock is undervalued.  Perhaps because of the debt, lack ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Mar 31, 2022 6:13pm
Hey Pablo. All is well thanks for asking. Well wishes to you as well. The reasons for them doing ithis Consolidation has to do with a few reason according to them. One is reducing the bloated Float and the other is attracting Institutional Investing. I get that. But like I've said before. It's easier to go from $1.50 to $3.00, than it is to go from $30 to $60 or $20 to $40. Some patience ...more  
Comment by johnney on Mar 31, 2022 6:32pm
Thet always have a good reason, but this one will be the worst for most shareholders!
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