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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRPF | T.BBD.PR.B | BDRXF | T.BBD.PR.C | T.BBD.PR.D | BOMBF | BDRAF | T.BBD.B | BDRBF

Bombardier Inc. is a Canada-based manufacturer of business aircraft with a global network of service centers. The Company is focused on designing, manufacturing and servicing business jets. The Company has a worldwide fleet of more than 5,000 aircraft in service with a variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments and private individuals. It... see more

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Bombardier Inc. > On the debt
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Post by clubhouse19 on Dec 02, 2022 10:44am

On the debt

If there is any a time to make a public offering to take care of the debt in any part, would not this be close to the enviroment to do this ?

I would think the participation interest would be way up there considering what has been happening with much less effect on dilution.
may be more of a possibility assuming this continues.
Comment by BBDB859 on Dec 02, 2022 11:03am
I would guess you'd think so. But just off the cuff, I would say NO. Because they are doing well right now. The FCF savings is huge right now and it's getting higher as the spending cycle has almost ended, other than Pearson. But even Pearson is ending by the end of 2022. So at this time, we would get diluted with a public offering. So I don't see the need. If at the end of 2022 the ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Dec 02, 2022 11:23am
Not meant  right now, but the opportunity is more and more presenting itself as a viable option.  Dilution would be a minimal  factor if all the money was put towards the debt as the book value per share would remain theoretically the same. Less and less incentive needed to participate. A convertible offering would also be possible IMO.   2023 into 2024, all things equal ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Dec 02, 2022 7:52pm
Hey Club. The LTD is going down $4B by then of 2024. By the end of 2025 we'll probably get down to to $3B LTD. Our payments yearly will go $250M. Why should we get diluted. We paid the heftiest price with this RS last year, we don't need this dilution too. JMHO.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Dec 02, 2022 10:24pm
I equate dilution to increased number of shares and company book value per share going down  Paying off debt does not do that and FCF can be used for growth  along with R & D. Like I said. a more viable option now than before . [quote=BBDB859]Hey Club. The LTD is going down $4B by then of 2024. By the end of 2025 we'll probably get down to to $3B LTD. Our payments yearly will ...more  
Comment by raphaelle2 on Dec 02, 2022 11:38pm
IMO I think ( and hope) that public offering would be the best way to launch the commercial development of their new eco jet design when the proof of concept is completed. In 2- 3 years ?? The best way to both clear the debt and get some reserve  funds for serious development. Hopefully with a well established partner. Most likely US ? After 2025  I think that Martel will be eager to ...more  
Comment by MyNameIsNobody on Dec 03, 2022 9:04am
What raphaelle2 said is kind of most likely it as far as I know because, if I remember correctly, Eric Martel said a while ago that their next project is likely to be done in a partnership... they won't go for a 'We take it on by ourselves Cseries' endeavor again. So tackling the debt with good management and steady repayments is still #1.  Another thing on future projects...EM ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Dec 03, 2022 2:54pm
All fair points. Agreed, they should pay off debt incrementally with free cash flow. Developing a commercial aircraft by themselves is definitely not the way to go. However, venturing into emerging technologies may be. We have the complementary assets to enter the urban aerial transport industry, which is growing a lot. We also have the opportunity to get into space aviation. There is also room ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Dec 02, 2022 11:42pm
Why would we issue equity to pay down debt? As far as I can see, the debt is not a problem. Paying it off with free cash flows going forward is fine. And when there are projects that have higher probability-weighted rates of returns, management can decide whether more prudent to pay debt vs. pursue project. I think when our market cap equity is anywhere above $10Bn (share price north of $100 ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Dec 02, 2022 11:41am
Why do we need to a public offering? The cost of equity would be much higher than the cost of debt at this point. We can naturally delever the business using free cash flows, why issue more shares... in fact, the goal of deleveraging the balance sheet using money from plane and service sales is one factor that keeps management on track to deliver.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Dec 02, 2022 1:24pm
There is plenty of time and not said of any imminent timing. Right now with the present price about 13.5 million shares would needed to used for any kind of offering including associated costs for the total LTD  repayment. Just round numbers and certainly not suggesting this to be accurate..there are better qualified people for that . This is just IMO a viable option depnding on the company& ...more