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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRXF | BDRAF | BDRBF | T.BBD.B | T.BBD.PR.B | T.BBD.PR.C | T.BBD.PR.D | BOMBF | BDRPF

Bombardier Inc. is a Canada-based manufacturer of business aircraft with a global network of service centers. The Company is focused on designing, manufacturing and servicing business jets. The Company has a worldwide fleet of more than 5,000 aircraft in service with a variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments and private individuals. It... see more

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Post by BBDB859 on Jul 19, 2024 9:08am

Scotia

Thanks NN.

I think Scotia is very conservative on their figures. The Cash on hand situation will get stronger at the end of 2024, and it will pave the way to reducing the 2025 LTD to $3.7B as Bart D said. Net Debt should hit $2.2B at 1.5 multiple of Debt, to Ebitda..it's just too conservative, given that when Debt is reduced, and interest payments get reduced, you have more cash on hand. The end of 2025 will pave the way for 2026 to reduce the LTD to under $3B if we make an acquisition in 2025 like Belfast, then that could change the equation more in favor of the Scotia numbers. I still say that we should get $250M or so for taking over Belfast, this will cushion the acquisition.
Comment by johnney on Jul 19, 2024 9:12am
no doubt that end  of 2024 the cash on hand will get stronger, even after third quarter results!
Comment by stock4life48 on Jul 19, 2024 10:00am
got a link to where Bart says LTD to be at 3.7B by end of 2025? No idea how that is possible.  It stood at 5.6B at Q1/24.  We are expecting 236M FCF in 2024 and 900-950M FCF in 2025.  That's only 1.2B to put towards debt,  Where is the other 700M coming to retire debt? I agree we will see 900M after 2025 that could be put towards LTD I doubt Spirit will pay us 250M to ...more  
Comment by stock4life48 on Jul 19, 2024 10:11am
ok so Airbus was also compensated $559M from Spirit for take over.  Its possible we get a cash payment.  I suppose it would depend on how badly in shape that section is to see how much cash we could get I have yet to find where Bart said LTD would be reduced to those levels.  They did say net debt to EBITDA would be at 2.0 to 2.5x by end of 2025, nothing even close to your 1.5x ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 19, 2024 12:11pm
Hey Stock4. It's simple. They're at $5.5B now. Everybody missed that $100M paid recently, in either late May or early June when it was announced. Then you got Q4/24, which will bring in $250M of +FCF they say. We both know it'll be $300M +FCF (underpromise). They'll get their Reserves/cash on hand back up at the end 2024 too, to about $1.7B. So, I see them throwing an added $200M ...more  
Comment by stock4life48 on Jul 19, 2024 1:46pm
I can see your math, but I think it represents a best case perfect scenario.  Perhaps I am a bit more conservative I'll believe it when I see deliveries being equalized amoung the quarters What does being new to stockhouse have to do with anything?  Too many people on these forums post cherry picked info, I tend to look for a balanced approach and look at risk over reward.  I& ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 19, 2024 2:30pm
Why would you call it a best case scenario? They have the cash sitting in their Reserves collecting dust. Up until now they just didn't know the exact amount they had to hold in Reserves because of all the moving parts. Why wouldn't they put the extra on the LTD?? Especially now, when they know exactly what they put out for Inventory for the year, according to their B to B. Remember they ...more  
Comment by stock4life48 on Jul 19, 2024 3:24pm
its just the way I feel.  Show me anywhere you can get an LOC @ 3% right now.  I think my margin account is at 7.3% if I recall correctly. How do I post PDF's here?  Quickly RBC noted the average age for a business jet is 18 years and its expected to drive significant revenue in maintenance in the foreseeable future and eventual replacement.  That report is 74 pages.  ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 19, 2024 4:07pm
They got their current revolver of $300M recently. I think it was in Nov. 2022. Richmond Hill company (I wanna say Conseco). People want the title. 
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 19, 2024 4:13pm
Revolver/credit facility LOC is for 3%.
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 20, 2024 8:11am
There are ways to post more than one page with links etc. Especially nowadays. You're a young guy, figure it out. You are getting good info from us, so make the effort to provide us with usefull info too. Go figure it out yourself (gfioy). Call Stockhouse if you have to. Print pertinent info from large reports, that pertains to what we're doing here. Thanks in advance. Everyone here is ...more  
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