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Primary Symbol: T.BCE Alternate Symbol(s):  BCE | T.BCE.PR.A | BCPPF | T.BCE.PR.B | T.BCE.PR.C | BCEPF | T.BCE.PR.D | T.BCE.PR.E | BCAEF | T.BCE.PR.F | T.BCE.PR.G | BECEF | T.BCE.PR.H | T.BCE.PR.I | T.BCE.PR.J | BCEXF | T.BCE.PR.M | T.BCE.PR.N | T.BCE.PR.Q | T.BCE.PR.R | BCEIF | T.BCE.PR.S | T.BCE.PR.T | T.BCE.PR.Y | BCEFF | T.BCE.PR.Z | T.BCE.PR.L

BCE Inc. is a Canada-based communications company. The Company provides wireless and fiber networks. The Company operates through one segment: Bell Communication and Technology Services (Bell CTS). Bell CTS segment provides a range of communication products and services to consumers, businesses and government customers across Canada. Its wireless products and services include mobile data and... see more

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BCE Inc > From Today's Globe and Mail
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Post by hawk35 on Nov 28, 2024 4:34pm

From Today's Globe and Mail

To cut or not to cut the dividend? That is the question for BCE Inc.
Irene Galea
Published Yesterday. Updated 1 hour ago
 
BCE Inc.’s stock has long been valued by Canadian investors for its rich dividend and regular increases. But some institutional investors say the company should make the difficult decision to cut it – by as much as half.

Last month, BCE said that as part of its plans to acquire U.S.-based fibre internet provider Ziply Fiber, it was putting dividend hikes on hold at an annual payment of $3.99 for all of 2025, and instituting a dividend reinvestment plan (DRIP) to help fortify its balance sheet.

The deal triggered a critical reaction among analysts, who noted that the company would likely need to spend heavily for Ziply to build out its network. That, combined with the dividend pause sent BCE’s share price tumbling.

Now, some investors say BCE needs to rethink its dividend strategy. The problem: BCE is distributing more cash than it is generating in free cash flow.

BCE paid $910-million in cash dividends for common shareholders in the third quarter, exceeding the company’s free cash flow of about $832-million. The company’s per-share quarterly dividend of about $1 also exceeded its adjusted earnings per share of 75 cents in the quarter. Earlier this year, The Globe and Mail reported that the company’s 2023 dividends were 162 per cent of reported net income, the fourth straight year above 100 per cent and the 11th straight year above 80 per cent.

A dividend cut would be unpopular. The market’s displeasure with the pause to dividend-rate increases has remained clear: As of Wednesday, BCE’s share price on the Toronto Stock Exchange was down nearly 30 per cent year-to-date, with a near-record yield of 10.65 per cent. A dividend cut could send the stock tumbling further.

Nonetheless, 24 institutional investors surveyed by Veritas Investment Research overwhelmingly say the company should bite the bullet. Of those surveyed, 83 per cent said the company should reduce the dividend. More than half of those unnamed investors said the dividend should be reduced by at least 50 per cent.

“While that magnitude of a cut is massive, it makes complete sense to us,” noted Veritas analyst Desmond Lau in a report on the survey. “Ironically, instead of acting as a buoy for share prices, the unsustainable dividend is an anchor weighing the stock and company down. In our view, a cut is the right move for the long term.”

By Veritas’s calculation, cutting the dividend by 50 per cent would result in about an 80-per-cent payout ratio. While still “on the high side,” Mr. Lau said, this would give the company some flexibility for debt reduction and share repurchases.

Institutional investors were split on whether such a move would result in a share price drop. Forty-eight per cent expected it would send the stock lower, but 52 per cent said it would either increase or remain the same, given that the company’s share price has already dropped to its lowest point since 2011.

BCE Inc. spokesperson Ellen Murphy said the company intends to pause dividend growth until the payout ratio and net debt leverage ratios are tracking toward the company’s target policy ranges, noting the importance of cash generation for investors. In its 2023 annual report, the company states a target dividend payout range of 65 to 75 per cent of free cash flow.

“We have been transparent and consistent that our dividend payout ratio would be elevated for a period of time, especially as we accelerated investment in long-life fibre infrastructure that is and will continue to be a strategic differentiator for the company,” Ms. Murphy said in an e-mail.

When BCE announced the Ziply deal, chief financial officer Curtis Millen said the company expects the payout ratio to fall beneath 100 per cent on a pro forma basis. Bell defines its payout ratio as dividends paid on common shares divided by free cash flow.

But Mr. Lau says the company’s calculations do not take into account certain lease costs and other factors. When calculated this way, he said, this would result in a payout ratio of more than 150 per cent in 2027, or 120 per cent if excluding capital expenses related to Ziply.

“What it comes down to is, ultimately, whether management’s belief that the dividend is sacrosanct and should be protected at all costs really makes sense, and if that is even something that’s desired by the shareholders who essentially own and control the company,” Mr. Lau said.
Comment by BlueDawn on Nov 28, 2024 9:59pm
Again with this narrow sighted approach. the dividend is 950m Expenses are 4200m Like go after the real opportunity cut operating costs and stop spending money get the margin up over 50%. if they leave the dividend but find a way to drop 1B from expenses then it's the same thing. cut capex to 700m. Cut opex to 2500m. there is too much spending going on. do they really need ...more  
Comment by Ocalaman on Nov 28, 2024 10:47pm
Blue dawn you are  as naive as Newcoin about business, margins are only controllable in a vacuum, you can't cut interest expense without cutting debt first,, some expenses  are contractual and need  time to wind down , ie lease expenses, contractor contracts etc, ,property and eapuipmrnt leases .  they had 4.5 B$ in hand and  frittered it away. 
Comment by BlueDawn on Nov 28, 2024 11:52pm
Here is evidence that expenses are already winding down... The pension plans don't care about interest and dividends they care about ebitda... when they buy the whole thing they want profit without the noise of layoffs...   BCE Inc. reported an adjusted EBITDA margin of 45.6% for Q3 2024, marking a 1.7 percentage point increase compared to the previous year. This improvement was ...more  
Comment by BlueDawn on Nov 28, 2024 11:56pm
Whoops sorry here is the real ebitda evidence (previous post had bad data BCE’s adjusted EBITDA margin for Q3 2024 was 45.6%, reflecting a 1.7 percentage point increase compared to 43.9% in Q3 2023. This improvement was primarily driven by a 2.1% increase in adjusted EBITDA, despite a decline in overall revenues. The growth in EBITDA was supported by lower operating costs, including reduced ...more  
Comment by Ocalaman on Nov 29, 2024 6:57am
bluedawn, the only evidence we need to see is that the final judge of perfomance is the market and heres what its said over the last 12 month reflected in the stock price. CCA +27% QBR +8 RCI -14 T -9 BCE -29  Proof that the final arbituer of success and failure are investors. Try and tell someone who has had 29% reduction in thier capital position wiped out that they are experiencing ...more  
Comment by BlueDawn on Nov 29, 2024 10:56am
The market is fickle. have you ever seen a take over and when those happen the price paid is so much more than the share price... the difference between market price and true value is seen when that happens. I am saying the true intrinsic value of this company is in the 55-60 dollar range and that we are in a period of an extreme discount brought on by elevated 10y t bill yield, a price war and ...more  
Comment by newcoin on Nov 29, 2024 11:04am
Excellent analysis!! Trust nobody (media and analysts included) when they bad mouth this company. They probably hold short positions. They are there to take your money!! Immoral but not illegal.
Comment by Ocalaman on Nov 29, 2024 12:18pm
Newcoin, you change your opinion of analysts very  week  two weeks ago you stated  "Ryan Bushell is the only professional money manager quoted on this board. Buy all day long under $40." just now you  claimed  "Trust nobody (media and analysts included" Try and be consistent it makes  your argument a little more credible and don' ...more  
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Comment by ol_griz on Nov 29, 2024 11:36am
Where is the down button?  If that's how you make investment decisions there's not much hope for you. Long and patient here. Negativity vastly overblown.  As someone else said, institutions ar probably short already and licking their chops for a divvy cut.  Hopfefuuly if management has made the right call with Ziply it won't happen.  I don't believe it will ...more  
Comment by Ocalaman on Nov 29, 2024 12:46pm
Ol griz, you are confusing reality with negativity, a common mistake for some who are not prepared to deal with current situations and able to move accordingly.  It has been apparent that the reality is grim for telcos now  and selling at 48 and not 38 and keeping  2 1/2  years worth of dividends in my pocket was the result of embracing that reality.  If you don' ...more  
Comment by ol_griz on Nov 29, 2024 3:07pm
Hindsight 20/20.  I'm sure we all can see the benefit of having sold at $48, but most saw that as the "realistic" price after toppy numbers in the high sixties. No question it's a tough market BCE did not prepare for, combined with a foolish commitment to continued divvy raises when the numbers didn't support it.  I was shocked at the Ziply purchase after the MLSE ...more  
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