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CANEXUS CORP 6.5 PCT DEBS > Argh - I'm Back (for a few minutes anyway) - My 2 Cents
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Post by ocean112 on Mar 24, 2015 4:19pm

Argh - I'm Back (for a few minutes anyway) - My 2 Cents

I can see I didn't miss much with all the Kherson bashing.    This is my first post since the quarterly numbers.  It was admittedly a distaster - and sheer genius - at the same time.  So I shorted everything at  $1.90 and am repurchasing most at $1.50 - so my average cost is about $2.20 - doable.

Now - why was this move sheer genius from Doug's part?  Well what happened was obvious -  he got a lot of low ball offers for NATO.  He knows what it's worth - and he's in the middle of hard ball negotiations.  He could have bowed to the pressure given that the stock price was tanking - but what does he do - drives right into the heart of the storm and gives a big "bite me" to the bidders.  Instead of selling NATO for nothing, he writes everything down, virtually eliminates the dividend - knowing full well the price would tank - and so it did.  He took that leverage away from "anonymous" who seems to be driving the price down daily.

But now - the bidders have little leverge now that a zero valuation of NATO is fully priced in.  To further squeeze the bidders for serious offers - Doug basically says - forget NATO - i'll put my chemical business up to take some of the balance sheet pressure off.

So what are the bidders doing - they now know Doug means business and will not budge on a firesale price of NATO.  Canexus has a better chance of getting a better multiple for thier Chlor Alkali plant given that their plant likely has multiple bidders.

Long and short - with multiple irons in the fire - (NATO and Chlor Alkalai) - the moment any sale is announced - this will bounce back to $2.50  which is approximately a 7.8x EV/EBITDA multiple.-

Value of NATO = $200M (which is the approximate cost for a buyer to build a similar facility - classic buy versus build decision - but buyers now get land, salt caverns, and manifest  for free). So $200M more or less is a price floor. 

Value of Chlor Alkali  = $250M (10x low end EBITDA of $25M)

Conservative estimates.

If you do the math at 7.8 EBITDA = the implied price target is $2.50 in the near term.  With some help from an expert whose input I value - these are the multi year price targets assuming a conservative 7.8x EBITDA multiple

Near Term (post sale - 3-5 months) = $2.50
2016 Target = $3.30
2017 Target = $3.70
2018 Target = $4.12
2019 Target = $4.58
2020 Target = $5.44

This assumes cash is used to pay down debt (cash will begin to build after payment of convertable end of this year - but after that - next payment is 2017).

So - if you can wait 5 years - this is a triple.

Best of luck

Comment by Kherson on Mar 24, 2015 6:34pm
Ocean112, you had been pumping Canexus like crazy up to almost the day of the release of the Year End Financials, now you come on here and admit that you actually shorted the stock at $1.90? Wow... I can not believe that you would be so dumb as to admit that! Your reputation is a big zero! Folks, some of you may not like me, but I honestly tell you what I believe, whether I am right is wrong, is ...more  
Comment by 6milli on Mar 25, 2015 11:26am
Ocean - Please walk through the numbers on how you get to a $250 M valuation for equity after taking into account a sale of NATO at $200 M and sale of Chlor-Alkali at $250M. Specifically, what pre-debt number are you using and what debt number do you use post- asset sales. Further, what is your estimate of EBITDA post-NATO and Chlor-Alkali sale, and please who how this translates into a 7.8x EV ...more  
Comment by 6milli on Mar 25, 2015 11:28am
Excuse the error in the question (looks like I can't edit previous post) but I obviously meant a $2.50 per share valuation for equity that you described in your post (not the $250 M equity value I stated in the question). Request for further explanation on your calculations stands.
Comment by LegoGuy on Mar 25, 2015 11:56pm
Gee, Ocean112, when I do that calculation I get a share price of $0.72. Maybe you forgot to include the $685 million in debt? and if you honestly believe Doug 'tanked the stock' on purpose, you'd still be holding that short position. What will he do next, burn it to the ground rather than let someone buy it for less than $400 million. sheer nonsense. DS
Comment by Calgaryrider on Mar 26, 2015 12:39pm
The joke is, CUS has been paying dividends - financed by debt - for well over a year TO THE DETRIMENT of it's shareholders.  The stock prices has just tanked....but, hey, at least you're getting a few pennies here and their.  This is just poor management, through and through.  The fact that it took Doug (and the board) so long to cut the dividend is egg on their ...more  
Comment by whitey4$ on Mar 26, 2015 4:34pm
Dividend would be on the BOD,they should have cut it. whitey
Comment by Kherson on Apr 12, 2015 8:39pm
On March 24th, after two weeks of keeping quiet, Ocean112 admits that he had actually shorted the stock... Who are you gonna believe folks? Kherson
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