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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Cenovus Energy Inc T.CVE

Alternate Symbol(s):  CVE | CVE.WS | T.CVE.WT | T.CVE.PR.A | CNVEF | T.CVE.PR.B | T.CVE.PR.C | T.CVE.PR.E | T.CVE.PR.G

Cenovus Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company has oil and natural gas production operations in Canada and the Asia Pacific region, and upgrading, refining and marketing operations in Canada and the United States. The Company's segments include Upstream, Downstream, and Corporate and Eliminations. Its Upstream segment includes Oil Sands, Conventional, and Offshore.... see more

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Cenovus Energy Inc > "Time value" of the warrents = Leverage Offered
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Post by RagingBull3 on Jan 16, 2021 2:00pm

"Time value" of the warrents = Leverage Offered

Thanks Husky4000 for the following example explaining the "time value" portion of the warrents....   

"CVE goes up and up and up and let's say it trades at 25$ in 2022.  The warrants would be trading at 25 minus 6.54 + time value (around 2$), so around 20$  SO if you BUY the warrants today,  you will make 6 times your money, while buying the commons the commons you will make 3 times.  This is called leverage.  "
Comment by SQCConsulting on Jan 16, 2021 2:38pm
Yes a very good explanation but they appear better than they are. HSE sharelholders lost 22% of their common S vlaue in the transaction. The S price is roughly the same but you have 22% less shares and with the avergae value increasing about 40%. Sure a few warrants were thrown in but you will likley need much more than  6X profit to make up that huge loss. They are not free....the cost of ...more  
Comment by Oasisjunior on Jan 16, 2021 3:00pm
My point exactly...... everyone is making refrence to to getting the warrants for free, technically as explained we did pay when the transaction/conversion was completed...
Comment by Husky4000 on Jan 16, 2021 5:14pm
I don't see it as losing anything.  The number of shares is not relevant. We get to be minority in something better more than 2 times better. For tax purposes, the cost of acquisition $ of a warrant is an interesting question.  So let's start with numbers.  For example someone bought 50000 HSE at 5$.  I end up with 39 225 CVE and 3255 warrants.  If you do 3255 ...more  
Comment by SQCConsulting on Jan 17, 2021 10:05am
I think most long term HSE holders were deep in red so its simply a question of perspective but yes from a vlue perspective you are indeed 100% correct.
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