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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Cenovus Energy Inc T.CVE

Alternate Symbol(s):  CVE | CVE.WS | T.CVE.WT | T.CVE.PR.A | CNVEF | T.CVE.PR.B | T.CVE.PR.C | T.CVE.PR.E | T.CVE.PR.G

Cenovus Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company has oil and natural gas production operations in Canada and the Asia Pacific region, and upgrading, refining and marketing operations in Canada and the United States. The Company's segments include Upstream, Downstream, and Corporate and Eliminations. Its Upstream segment includes Oil Sands, Conventional, and Offshore.... see more

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Cenovus Energy Inc > Will Cenovus Buy Meg?
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Post by Dogsbreakfast4U on Jun 19, 2021 7:40am

Will Cenovus Buy Meg?

There are currently lots of M&A chatter in the oil patch. If Cenovus can sell its Asian assets at good price it can easily make a bid for MEG (perhaps via share swap) which is overdue for a takeover. I think this time Evans will take the golden parachute and walk away. I found the following online comment on the matter by Sacha Peter dated 25 May on Divestor Canadian Finance and Securities Analysis.


"MEG Energy (TSX: MEG) is an oil sands producing company with a very good asset – it occupies a prime bitumen producing location at Christina Lake, Alberta. The type of mining is the typical steam-assisted gravity drainage project that, one you put in the required capital expenditures and intellectual prowess, has a relatively low rate of decay. It will produce for decades.

Geographically speaking, the company is out of options. There’s little in the way of synergies as they are surrounded by Cenovus and CNQ’s properties. There isn’t much of a choice beyond optimizing the primary asset they own (which is very valuable) and generate cash. The asset will be producing for decades.

They are properly capitalized – approximately US$2.3 billion in debt securities, with maturities on 2025, 2027 and 2029, in addition to an undrawn credit facility. They made some (retrospectively) stupid hedges on WTI which will cost them a few hundred million in lost opportunity costs in 2021 (approximately a third of their production is hedged at US$46 WTI), but they claim this was to fund the existing year’s capital budget in the event that crude crashed. CEO Derek Evans was formerly the CEO of Pengrowth Energy, and the only reason why Pengrowth lasted as long as it did before it was unceremoniously bought out for 5 cents a share was because they hedged a ton of production before oil prices tanked.

After Line 3 and TMX become operational, egress issues will likely subside and at current prices, they will be generating a significant amount of cash. While they do not give out dividends at present, it probably won’t make much difference in the end equation – they are likely to get consolidated by one of the two in the title of this post.

Notably, MEG rejected a hostile takeover from Husky in 2018 (which was offered at a higher price). From a strategic perspective, Cenovus (which took over Husky at the beginning of this year) would make the most amount of sense – they would own the majority of the bitmuen complex around Christina Lake. They have been busy digesting the Husky merger, but there’s probably ample room for a stock swap. MEG at the end of December 31, 2020 also had a $5.1 billion non-capital loss carryforward, so this would survive a merger and constitute a non-trivial tax asset for an acquirer.

This analysis is by no way a secret – they have been a logical target for ages. We will see."

Comment by RagingBull3 on Jun 19, 2021 9:24am
Don't you mean "MERGE" or "Combine" or "Amalgumate"...LOL...     Where's Husky?     Going to the Casino offers more TRUSTWORTHY play, IMHO.    Odds are against you but atleast you can count on it.    Or capital market system has become so corrupt that contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on ...more  
Comment by newcoin on Jun 19, 2021 9:31am
And this article shows they are already working together. CALGARY, AB, June 9, 2021 /CNW/ - Canadian Natural Resources, Cenovus Energy, Imperial, MEG Energy and Suncor Energy formally announced today the Oil Sands Pathways to Net Zero initiative. These companies operate approximately 90% of Canada's oil sands production. The goal of this unique alliance, working collectively with ...more  
Comment by Quintessential1 on Jun 19, 2021 10:01am
Meg is already trading above pre-pandemic levels but still below all-time-highs. If the belief is that they can reach ATH levels again then they may be a worthwhile aquisition otherwise the ship has probably already sailed and they should have been snapped up with the pandemic discount.
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Comment by mrbb on Jun 19, 2021 3:23pm
you mean alot more energy intensive  
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Comment by Quintessential1 on Jun 19, 2021 6:04pm
Ok then you also mean a lot less carbon dioxide or co2 intensive?  Something doesn't read right in this statement: MOST people DON'T know this but the Fort Hills oilsands MINE is a LOT LESS ENERGY INTENSIVE and therefore CARBON-DIOXIDE (CO2) INTENSIVE per barrel of BITUMEN produced than the SUPERIOR SAGD operations like the industry leading ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jun 19, 2021 10:51pm
Eigen confused me with the use of the term 'mine',which i thought oilsand mining which is the approved method for mining fort hills.  He did not mention solvent process in his first post. VAPEX was invented over 20 years ago. Fort Hills is an open-pit truck and shovel mine. Its life is expected to be approximately 50 years based on current mine plans. Of course, many companies ...more  
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Comment by mrbb on Jun 20, 2021 4:02am
Actually, cenovus has been using butane to assist SAGD many years ago.  Butane work better than propane. It also explains why christina lake has best in class SOR too.  Cenovus only use solvents sparingly on certain wells SAP in christina lake There is something that work even better than butane, it's condensate, the same stuff they mix bitumen at surface to make dilbit. All this ...more  
Comment by Eigen337 on Jun 20, 2021 10:46am
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Comment by mrbb on Jun 20, 2021 3:35am
[You are confusing me, if not everyone else too. is fort hills mining their oilsand with shovel and dump truck or use the new propane assisted SAGD???   Remember that the Fort Hills SHOVEL/DUMP TRUCKS  mine operates under the SURFACE OVERBURDEN {maybe 50 meters DEPTH ???} while the SAGD reservoir operations of Chistina Lake (CVE)  ...more  
Comment by Eigen337 on Jun 20, 2021 10:29am
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Comment by Speedy on Jun 20, 2021 2:15pm
Suncor Fort hills is surface extraction. Their SAGD ( fire bag) is just a few little ways down the road.  When fort hills was being built and commmisoned most if not all the employees were staying at fire bag and busing into Fort hills everyday.  Husky Sunrise is again not far from firebag and is SAGD, all the employees for all these facilities fly into the same site and disperse ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jun 20, 2021 4:02pm
I never heard of a surface oilsand mine process that is less carbon and energy intensive than the best SAGD.  You keep saying fort hills mining (shovel and trucking) is less energy intensive (ie more energy efficient) than best of SAGD.  This is a comical joke statement.   Ignore me, i don't care. I had worked in this area before, not like you reading something with no ...more  
Comment by autofocus111 on Jun 20, 2021 9:53pm
mrbb See Figure 3 at the link below. >>> Although in situ operations’ emission intensity decreased by eight per cent between 2004 and 2015, this production type still produces 58 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than surface mining.  https://www.pembina.org/blog/real-ghg-trend-oilsands
Comment by mrbb on Jun 21, 2021 3:43am
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"- Mark Twain There is something not adding right here. In Figure 2, the energy intensity of canadian oilsand is shown as 174 kg CO2e/bbl oil.   Just inches below that, figure 3 (your suggestion), pembina institute sayng the OVERALL energy intensity of insitu + mining of oilsand is between 52 to 56 kg CO2e/bbl oil.  I'm not ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jun 21, 2021 3:48am
here is figure 3 i forgot to attach
Comment by oilandgasmick on Jun 21, 2021 9:59am
Regardless of energy input on the Steam Assisted gravity drainage I don't think CVE is looking at any major acquisitions like MEG anytime soon. The HSE and COP deals have not been fully digested and the fact remains that CVE now has a number of non-core assets (from the 2 acquisitions)-- a high net debt load and low dividend payout ratios. Investors want those issues addressed first and the ...more  
Comment by Dogsbreakfast4U on Jun 21, 2021 10:35am
MEG is up nearly 10% today while CVE is barely moving. There is something going on.
Comment by MaynardKeanes on Jun 21, 2021 10:41am
Maybe it's the other way around 
Comment by autofocus111 on Jun 21, 2021 10:53am
mrbb I don't really care what the relative emission intensities are of the tarsands oil producers. To me this is all just ESG noise. Burning the dammm fossil fuel is the real issue. Anyway, carbon tax works to address this from cradle to grave so it's okay by me. But the credits to buy a large sized luxury/pickup truck electron-guzzling BEV is BS. If anything those credits should be ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jun 21, 2021 3:28pm
i have similar view on energy usage. Unfortunately, the current push for EV is 90% politic and global agenda, and 10% science. Remember, ALL great lies/con must contain some truth, or else the bait wouldn't work. Pembina Institute called themselves as a clean energy think tank but really an anti oil think tank. i'm sure they would paint any data to support their narratives. Anti oil ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jul 11, 2021 3:21pm
found some data which prove surface minining is higher op. cost than insitu SAGD. Higher cost also always mean higher energy intensity operation, meaning more GHG emission.   Moving dirt around + cooking the oilsand (as in surface mining) surely is more energy intensive than drill long lateral and cooking the bitumen downhole. Oil sands breakeven prices are how much? | Oil Sands ...more  
Comment by autofocus111 on Jul 11, 2021 7:06pm
mrbb I took a closer look at the Carnegie Oil-Climate Index link referenced in the Pembina report. You can look up emission details for each type of oil. They are actually quite detailed. I linked to SAGD and Mined oil (see below) In each there is a breakdown of ghg intensity for the various steps - upstream, midstream, and downstream - of SAGD and Mined tarsands processes. If you hover over the ...more  
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