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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Spectral Medical Inc T.EDT

Alternate Symbol(s):  EDTXF

Spectral Medical Inc. is a Canada-based late-stage theragnostic company advancing therapeutic options for sepsis and septic shock. The Company develops and commercializes a treatment for septic shock utilizing its Endotoxin Activity Assay (EAA) diagnostic and the Toraymyxin therapeutic (PMX). PMX is a therapeutic hemoperfusion device that removes endotoxin, which can cause sepsis, from the... see more

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Spectral Medical Inc > Napkin Math
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Post by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 10:05am

Napkin Math

Below mostly uses Spectral's own figures

Per Spectral the $ 2B US addressable market is approx. $ 2B USD per annum

(this is based on 140,000 patients x 2 PMX columns x $ 6750) or 140000x2x6750= $ 1,900,000,000

Probem 1:
But Laser consultant report indicated a US market pricing of $ 7,500 per PMX column (back in 2016)
If the life saving potential goes up, inflation rises, and so too does Trial costs go up, typically so too does the price.   But to be conservative lets just use $ 7,500 per column.   7500/6750 = 1.11 so lets apply that factor to the EBITDA calcs.

Problem 2
Canada not included.  Rights are for NA.  As far as I can tell the Commercialization Slide only addresses the US market and ignores Canada.  Canadian population is 11% of the US popultion so lets apply a factor of 1.11

Problem 3
Many studies have shown the benefits of a 3rd (and even perhaps) a fourth column in cases where the EAA remains stubbornly high, but it is still having an effect (of lowerinig Endotoxins and potentially aiding in organ recovery).  Let's apply a factor of 1.25 to recognize the dosage issue and assume that in some cases a 3rd column will be necessary.  I'll try to russle up the Study references suggestign the benefits of additonal columns of PMX on results.

Problem 4
The EBITDA chart assumes various market penetrations ranging form 7.5% to 50%.  But it is all based on 140,000 patients.  So a 40% marke penetration assumes only 56,000 patients would be treated. Upon FDA approval, PMX/EAA woudl in theory become the new standard of care for patients with gram negative Sepsis, with elevated SOFA scores.  Not sure why any hospitals would refuse giving any patients (even those expected to die as JK mentioned) the new SOC in an attempt to save their life.

Secondly the very next slide boldly highlights the fact that "As many as 300,000 to 400,000 patients in the US per annum may be appropriate for PMX "  So wouldn't a 40 % penetration on say 350,000 (the midpoint) = 140,000 patients (at 40% penetration of the "appropriate market)  So instead of usinig 56,000 patients (at 40%) shouldn't they use 140,000 patients?  140,000/56000 = 2.5 or the factor to bring the penetration calcs up to the PMX "appropriate" market.


So what does this all mean?  It suggests to me that the appropriate addressable EBITDA is actually much higher than the chart on page25 might first indicate.

If I select the 40% EBITDA column and choose the Total Spectral EAA/PMX EBITDA Potential (which assumes revenue sharing with someone like Baxter) and apply the above factors we get a revised EBITDA.

In applying just the first 3 adjustment factors (higher price, incl canada, addit columns in some cases) I get a revised EBITDA of:

$ 247M x 1.11x1.11 x 1.25 = $380M USD EBITDA (at 40 % market penetration only - despite it being presumably the new SOC)

And if I apply the last factor (higher usage) I get:

$ 380M x 2.5 = $ 951M USD EBITDA

Seto was correct iin stating that EBITDA multiples in this type of industry range from 10X to 25X in order to try to determine the appropriate market cap/value to a prospective acquirer.

So moviing to Market Cap calcs. I end up with the follwoing MC range

Low end range (only accounting for the first three factors and converting to CAD $ at 1.35)

380M x 1.35 x 10 = $ 5.130 B CAD $ MC   (ignores factor 4 or a much higher addressable market as suggested in slide 26)


High end range (also taking inito account slide 26, and assumed higher usage in reality but still only 40% market penetration)

951M x 1.35 x 25 = $ 32.1 B CAD $ MC


Current Spectral MC = $ 83 M  (That's a M not a B !)

Happy to correct any mistakes that anyone finds in the above calcs.  You can do the math to convert the MC to a pe share valuation using anywhere from best case 350M shares to worst case 400M shares O/S after end-game completes (pre-any reverse splits of course)

To justify today's LOWLOWLOW valuation of $ 83M CAD, and using the low end of the range above, one sorta has to assume that the market thinks that the odds of success (for this stage 3B confirmatory trial that is exceeding expectations) is less than 2% (83M/5130M).  Odd that Paradigm thinks it is over 75%.  Personally I think that Paradigm is low with that estimate.  But certainly under 2% is just ridiculous.  Especially when you realize that even if the FDA rejected PMX, their are other assets in the fold including: iDialco, EAA rights worldwide, IP, worldwide royatly rights for SAMI's used for HP, and break up value assets like unused tax loss carryforwards.

Is it time to spread the news to US analysts that eat this sort of thing up ?  And lower the go-forward cost of capital - necessary to complete the end game?  And to  reward the current, loyal and ever so patient shareholders with some movement towards a truer, more fair valuation pre-FDA approval ?

MM

Comment by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 10:38am
What about using a revenue multiple valuation ? Even if I used Spectrals' slide 25 addressable market of $ 2B USD  (see previous post on why I think this is conservative) Medical drug and device companies have comanded revenue multiples of anywhere from 1 X revenue to 10X revenue.  A lot depends on margins, barriers to entry, market demand, FDA approval, mortality benefit expected, ...more  
Comment by Rickkie on Apr 20, 2023 11:15am
MM, we hope your calculated share price numbers come to fruition, whenever that is. I guess the “whining” is the result of investor fatigue. I think all the retail investors believe there will be an eventual payday. It’s just that it has been dragging on for decades. We have been misled several times and have lost/losing patience.  Meanwhile, management continues to be highly compensated and ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 11:52am
I hear ya Rickkie I've been waiting 7 years or so myself.   The way I look at things is if I invested $1000  - 7 years ago in some other opportunity, and earned 10% a year, it would be worth just under $ 2000 today  (see rule of 7) or around 100% over the term of the investment. If my average cost on Spectral was .50 and in 2 years it pays me back $ 5.00 at teh end, instead of ...more  
Comment by Rickkie on Apr 20, 2023 12:28pm
MM, how about you initiate a petition for the company to engage in a PR campaign? You being a long supporter and defender of the company would have the most credibility with them.  I know I would be happy to join you and I believe so would others here.
Comment by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 3:46pm
I don't really have time to initiate petitions but I'd love the opportunity to sit down with Chris or Blair and or various Board members to bring forward consensus concerns, and to discuss what appears to be missing from the equation, that potentially could be supportive of SP.  A key is alleviating the concerns of a good number of well-meaning retail shareholders of the type that I ...more  
Comment by Accountprince on Apr 20, 2023 12:05pm
Hi MM...appreciate the Napkin Math.  Very interesting results with low end at $5 B value and high end at $32 B.  Gives an approx range of $14 to $90 per share based on around 350M shares.  You must clearly be on the right track as Treeboy et al reacted immediately and the post(s) show clearly and unvarnished their only agenda is to beat and keep the stock price down.  Their ...more  
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 20, 2023 12:16pm
Yes, I def think it is time you spread the word to US analysts. Tell them of your 32B calculation. Tell them about the 385 bagger you found! I can see the whole ward on the edge of their seats eating up your story.
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 20, 2023 12:48pm
Just for some context on your 385 bagger.  If you saw the value in the Iphone and bought Apple when it was released in 2007- after 16 yrs of that meteoric rise you'd be sitting on around a 46 bagger.  Or $46,000 for every 1,000. you've invested. :) Your math sees Spectral doing 8.4 times that!  (at the "High" end) This is the kind of math peoiple that play ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 1:02pm
I invite you to do the math based on Spectral's slides 25 and 26 Hmmmmtree To make it easier for you...try to poke holes in the logic of the low-end, if you prefer.   Because I am clear we would not achieve the high end in negotiations. Maybe you think the low-end is achievable? Attack the numbers, not the poster ...if you are capable. And if you dare, challenge the statement ...more  
Comment by Accountprince on Apr 20, 2023 3:41pm
Hmmm...you are now using Iphone and Apple as market comparables?  Don't forget your 46 bagger is AFTER they went public on a major exchange at FMV with widespread promotion.  Spectral has not done that yet so it's still at the low and manipulated share price of $0.30 aided and abetted by shady characters lurking in and around it.  But thanks for the validation.  If our ...more  
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 20, 2023 4:28pm
Hi AP,  we lost you on the other thread where you sugessted I had a personal grudge for being unhappy with management. Could you help me undersatnd you post from 3 weeks ago- you sounded concerned/ upset... AP March 25 2023 "I'll ask the BOD a rhetorical question - what do you informed persons think needs to be done now?  I'll give you a clue - immediate surgery to get rid ...more  
Comment by Accountprince on Apr 20, 2023 5:58pm
hmmm...let me simplify it for you. Dialco - management didn't disclose the problem they had and hid behind the "not material" position.  I did call that out. Tigris - slowwwwww progress.  I am not happy and thanks for reviving what I expressed to call it out. Investor presentation - couldn't attend as just at start of Easter holiday but updated myself.  Excuse ...more  
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 20, 2023 9:12pm
So you can call management a "cancer" that needs to be cut out- but if I'm unhappy with management it's somehow illegitimate - either a personal grudge or a paid bash.  Got it. Maybe, I'm just you in 6 months. As I've stated many times- I believe in, and I'm heavily invested in PMX. But I also believe that management has shown us proof for a year (or three ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Apr 21, 2023 12:24pm
I think I see the problem you have a lot of cognitive dissonance, based on the fact that you are heavily invested, and the stock price is not performing to your expectations. Based on the belief that you are smarter than the BoD (incl. western Reps), Kellum, who's made his life's work about Sepsis and Hemoperfusion and is considered a KOL, along with the EAA inventor Dr. Walker - you ...more  
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 21, 2023 2:59pm
Thanks Stuat Smally. I hope you give Ap the same pep talk...(he thinks management is a cancer) I look forward to your same shill 9 months and 9 patients from now.
Comment by Accountprince on Apr 21, 2023 3:11pm
hmmmmmm...again you just can't take a hint or direct statement that your banter is tiresome and repetitive.  I have no reason or requirement to toss comments back and forth with you as it achieves nothing for me.  You've said and done nothing that has earned you any credibility. I call out management when I feel it's warranted.  I'll also compliment them when ...more  
Comment by BayStreetWild on Apr 21, 2023 3:50pm
Lollllll... lollllllllllllllllll... hahahahahahahahaha Hahahahahahahahahaha jesus, the comedy in here was better than Kevin heart in concert.
Comment by mercedesman on Apr 20, 2023 12:38pm
Yes when I did that math (based on Spectral provided numbers) I almost fell out of my chair. I don't think we'll see anything close to $ 90/sh... ...but I'd sure like for someone to intelligently refute the logic used even for the low end of $ 14 - espceially again since it's based on Spectral presentation numbers and Mgt. statements (e..g reasonable EBITDA multiples) ...adjusted ...more  
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