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But Good Citizens In Canada Don't Need Guns, Right ?

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

Niagara police homicide detectives investigate after 3 shot in St. Catherines.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8914886/st-catherines-shooting-niagara-police-lake-street/

[yggdrasill]

No. They don't.  Owning a gun puts your household at higher risk of gun violence from domestic violence, suicide, or accident. The vast majority of mass shooters (77%) purchased their guns legally. The vast majority of mass shooters started off as "good" citizens. You want to give them guns? You want firearms to be the leading cause of death for Canadian children? That's

[Quintessential1]

Not to mention that if hand guns and assualt weapons were illeagal in Canada and the USA they would not be as available legally or illegally. That is all they needed at that house party in St Catherines at 3am was more guns.

[NPCexe]

Tell that to the leftist DAs in Philly and LA. They refuse to prosecute gun crimes and sends repeat shooters back on the streets. Furthermore it's not a gun issue it's a culture issue: Americans have had guns in their country since the beginning and the issues Americans have today were not present in the decades following WW2

[yggdrasill]

Americans have had guns, yes. But not as many as today, and they didn't have semi-automatic weapons with expanded magazines. Until the 70s, the NRA lobbied in favor of and co-authored gun control legislation. The NRA helped Roosevelt pass the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1938 Gun Control Act. It's president at the time, Karl T. Frederick, testified before Congress that "I have

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

YGGDRASILL -   It's not that the NRA became extremist and corrupt, it's society that became more extremist and corrupt, leading the citizens to feel safer if they were armed should they feel it was warranted.  As for the Mulford Act, it was designed to disarm the Black Panthers who were walking around Oakland "copwatching". They probably didn't mention

[yggdrasill]

Yeah Fiddy, I know. As soon as Black people started arming themselves, Republicans were A-OK with gun control... They have no problem issuing guns to criminals nowadays because they've become radicalized. The NRA did become corrupt: Wayne LaPierre has diverted NRA funds for trips to the Bahamas and Italy, for shopping sprees, gifts...etc. Wilson "Woody" Philips, the NRA's CFO for

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

Corruption is the way of the world, it's not limited to the NRA for heaven's sake.....LOL Hell, even the Ex CEO of United Way America did 7 years in the clink for swiping cash that wasn't his:  https://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/23/us/ex-united-way-leader-gets-7-years-for-embezzlement.html Oh and um, newsflash, the mentaly ill, criminals, and yes, terrorists, they already have guns.

[yggdrasill]

Oh, it's the way of the world now! Well, that makes it completely ok then. It's fine that steal money from their members and donors. It's fine that they give access to Russian spies. It's fine that their lobbying has created the only western nation where gun violence is out of control. Do you know why the mentally ill, the criminals, and the terrorists already have guns? It's

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

Yepper - It IS the way of the world !  Doesn't make it right, just makes it true.  Sorry if you have issues dealing with the truth, but it is what it is. Using your thought process in a "drinking and driving" analogy, it'd be like saying the solution to sober drivers getting killed by drunk drivers, is to ban sober people from driving....LOL, too funny. But whatever

[yggdrasill]

Well thanks for proving my point then, Fiddy. It is indeed true that the NRA is corrupt. And that is a bad thing. It shows that they have no morals, and it shows that their radicalization has more to do with putting money in their pockets than anything else.  As for your analogy, good one! Well, until you realize that your solution to drunk drivers is to make every driver drunk! Got a drunk

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

*UNGH* - You've completely missed the point.  I give up.  There's an old saying that says never argue with a moron, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.  You win. Yggdrasill wrote:"Well thanks for proving my point then, Fiddy. It is indeed true that the NRA is corrupt. And that is a bad thing. It shows that they have no morals, and it shows

[yggdrasill]

I know the saying Fiddy. But I've been providing actual facts throughout. You can't even answer why you want to make Canada more like the US. You can't deny that the US experiences more gun violence than Canada and the Western World.  You can't deny that firearms are the leading cause of death for US children. You can't deny that owning a gun puts households at

[NPCexe]

I've never seen such a mess of regurgitated propaganda, my goodness. And you said you live in Canada? You mean where all the gun control keeps increasing and yet it has translated into higher gun crimes yoy? The liberals must love you, just checks off the box every election without even blinking. At least they emailed him some talking points. Next he will tell us that inflation is a good thing

[yggdrasill]

It's easy to claim something is "a mess of regurgitated propaganda" and it's another to refute it. I don't see any counterarguments. I don't see any facts to support the idea that it's just propaganda. Because you can't provide any. Those are the facts.  And I still don't see an answer from either you or Fiddy to my very simple question.  As for

[bttmfischer]

yggdrasill you wanted arguments to support the issue of murders is a cultural thing, right? Argument No.1 The rate of homicides in 2019 in all of Canda was 1.9 homicide/100,000 of the                             Canadian population. Argument No.2 The rate of homicides in 2019 in Jamaica was 47.4 homicides/100,000  of

[yggdrasill]

I want to be absolutely clear here. Are you arguing that Jamaica has a higher murder rate because its population is majority Black? As for your friend's anecdote, without knowing the details I can't really comment. It could be that the crown attorney was corrupt or incompetent. It could also be that the police wasn't competent while arresting him, and the crown prosecutor knew the

[bttmfischer]

yggdrasill, I was debating with myself whether or not I should respond to your post. As the market is is in the panic mode, I thought that I could spend a minute or two to set you strait in this matter, if that is possible. 1. The point was discussed if the gun violence was cultural. No reference was made to              races. You were the one drawing that

[NPCexe]

Thanks for the input, I think the older generations can testify to the changing culture in Canada/USA. But I think a lot of people feel this push towards eroding rights and freedoms that is always spun as a net positive. I for one am quite skeptical for increasing government overwatch.

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

BTTMFISCHER - The only time race is mentioned by police is when they're tripping over themselves to apologize for the $hitty way they've been policing any certain group.  This was evidenced recently by the Toronto Police Chief. In a nutshell - White Cops BAAAAAAAAD...... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/06/15/toronto-police-chief-james-ramer-race-based-data-black-people/ Bttmfischer

[youknowwhat]

So I am a little behind the curve on this but I understand you want to further restrick guns and Fiddy feels Canadians should be able to keep guns etc etc You further are in favor of the BC 2.5 gms of hard deurgs being decriminalized. So I say the BC thing will end badly.  State of Oregon decriminalized hard drugs last year and this year they have seen an increase of 700% in over doses. I

[yggdrasill]

That's about right for guns. The BC drug decriminalization is just a trial, so if it goes badly it will be revoked. Portugal decriminalized drugs and they've seen positive impacts, as have the Netherlands, Germany, Czechia, and Switzerland. So I have hope for BC. As far as I can tell, Oregon saw an increase of 33% in overdose deaths last year. That was higher than the US average of 15

[ol_griz]

Oh, come on, Fiddy.  He missed the point?  You don't seem able to address it.  You know you are done like dinner on this file. Endless bravado, moronic analogies and soliciting support from like-minded knuckle-draggers will not convince anybody.  Give it up.  Get back to things that actually might impact ENB.

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

OL GRIZ - What's the point in addressing ANYTHING with this "head in the sand" guy?  Let him have the "victory"  and his narrow minded, not-living-in-reality points of view, and allow him to feel at ease in his world of rainbows and unicorns. Have at it Peter Pan. I must say, he's sounding an awful lot like Marner 16 with his lengthy, fluff filled posts that

[yggdrasill]

So you won't read my posts which support my arguments with actual facts, but I'm the one with my head in the sand not living in reality? OK there, Fiddy. This one is two lines for you.

[Quintessential1]

The whole market pulled back and more than the 8% that ENB did. This may be the chance that those that have been waiting to get back in have been waiting for. Still yielding over 6% its one of the better, safer plays in the market right now. Go Enbridge! ;-)

[yggdrasill]

And I'm curious. You haven't answered my question. Why would you look at what's happening in the US and wish that upon Canada? What part of the US's horrific gun violence statistics looks appealing to you?

[NPCexe]

Your rebuttal is incoherent and strays off from the main point, which was a refusal by the left to prosecute gun crimes. I'll keep it brief out of respect for ENB board: 1. American household gun ownership has not increased over the years, it has generally stayed between 35-42% every decade. The increase in gun purchases are largely done by avid gun owners, which boosts the per capita rating

[FiddyFiddyOddzz]

NPC - Well stated, the only thing you forgot was the *mic drop* at the end of your post...LOL Npc wrote:"Your rebuttal is incoherent and strays off from the main point, which was a refusal by the left to prosecute gun crimes. I'll keep it brief out of respect for ENB board: 1. American household gun ownership has not increased over the years, it has generally stayed between 35-42% every

[yggdrasill]

1&2- You claimed that "it's not a gun issue it's a culture issue: Americans have had guns in their country since the beginning and the issues Americans have today were not present in the decades following WW2". I showed you how the NRA's radicalization in the 1970s began to erode common sense gun laws that had kept violence under control since the 1930s, and that that

[NPCexe]

You really do have a problem with understanding correlational problems. You're falsely concluding the relationship of 2 events, namely x legislation ending and an increase in gun crime. Here, I can produce the exact same fallacy by stating that in 1990 they introduced the Gun Control Act that created "gun free school zones." What happened in the following decades? Mass shootings on

[yggdrasill]

Is the ENB board not the place for gun talk? Funny, you didn't seem to have a problem with Fiddy spamming right wing talking points. But I push back and "WHOA this isn't the place!". I'll stop when Fiddy stops.  Do you even read what I write? Because if you had, you would know that I'm not advocating for a gun ban in the US. If you had read you would know that I

[jx7000]

yggdrasill, okay so what do you think of ENB? You a buyer, seller or holder?

[yggdrasill]

I doubt this is a necessary warning but just in case: you can find much better investment insight, even on this board, than my own. But I am a holder. Until CJ blew up, this was my largest holding. I like dividends, and ENB has one of the best in terms of yield, stability, and growth, on the TSX.

[NPCexe]

So you have one dummy posting irrelevant things and you decided it's not enough so you start spewing your own talking points? Great idea! You know there's this thing called the ignore button, but you're such a petulant child and refused to press it. "I'll stop when Fiddy stops!"... really? Truly, a petulant child. And for the last time, your data makes hasty and primitive

[yggdrasill]

You've gone off the deep end my friend, rambling against things I've never proposed or suggested. And there is indeed an ignore button, but you are the one complaining about my posts... so take your own advice? I'll push back against Fiddy as long as I feel like it. If you don't like that, you're under no obligation to read my posts.  The homicide rate in the US ranks

[NPCexe]

I don't complain about your posts, I believe people should share ideas so long as they're good. YOU are the one complaining about fiddy so that's why I suggested censoring him since you hate his views. As for rankings, you may cherry pick data all you want, the fact of the matter is that everyone wanted to move there for more than a century and still does, and thus your argument falls

[yggdrasill]

Are assault guns not guns? Yeah, we have bombs and other weapons of mass destruction, but I was talking in terms of things available to the regular joe. I didn't think I had to spell that out for you. Now here's the thing. I'm not cherry-picking data. I'm not comparing the US to the only country that has a better homicide rate. That would be cherry-picking. I'm comparing it to

[NPCexe]

You're complaining about right wing posts on a stock board. I suggested you use the ignore button. That I recommended you don't do this on a stock board doesn't make it a complaint, don't worry I didn't go crying to SH support. As for the regular joe comment, I'll reiterate: your claim that we are giving regular joes access to military grade assault weapons is wrong: the

[yggdrasill]

Alright. Let's try this again. I am not complaining about Fiddy's posts. I am answering them. If you think I am complaining, find the post where I said Fiddy should stop... I never asked him to. YOU, on the other hand, complained that "a stock board is no place" for gun talk, even though you had no issues with Fiddy's posts doing the same thing. YOU are complaining about my

[NPCexe]

Nobody censored you or told you to do anything, all I said is there are options to Fiddys posts. Bringing up options isn't the same as ordering you to do something. And thank you for clarifying that you want to get rid of guns in the USA. That's really all I needed to hear. Because 1. Good luck with getting rid of 380 million guns and the second amendment; 2. There are equally terrible

[yggdrasill]

Almost missed this. So you admit that owning a gun, which you are encouraging people to do on the basis that it makes them safer, actually makes them less safe? Amazing. I didn't think we'd get here. 

[NPCexe]

When did I encourage people to buy guns on the grounds that it makes them safer? I already covered it in the previous post, but I think I can safely make the argument that it is a philosophical question about the misery and suffering in the world: people die, whether it's from gun violence or lockdowns or lack of funding for third world countries. The question is how do we address it properly

[yggdrasill]

First, don't worry about the personal insults. An argument's an argument, I take nothing personally. Second, yes people die for many reasons. But as I covered in my previous post: people die a lot more in the US. Third, my ideas have been tried in leftist and centre-right strongholds. They worked in the UK, Australia, Japan, Taiwan, Canada...etc. You can't try something in Illinois

[Quintessential1]

Hawaii has some of the strictest gun control laws in the USA and the lowest death rate per capita from fire arms in the USA. It looks like they work there.  

[NPCexe]

These are great questions surrounding the infringement of rights and when do your rights end and mine begin.. in the state situation, I would argue that things like defunding the police can be tried regardless of what other states do. And yes, gun legislation will be difficult if your neighbours don't agree, but that's a problem that the respective state has to figure out and you can't