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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum E Split Corp T.ENS

Alternate Symbol(s):  ENSPF | T.ENS.PR.A

The objective of the Class A shares is to provide holders with non-cumulative monthly cash distributions and the opportunity for capital appreciation through exposure to the portfolio. And The investment objectives for the preferred shares is to provide holders with fixed cumulative preferential quarterly cash distributions and return the original issue price of 10.00 Dollars to holders upon... see more

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E Split Corp > What I have learned from ENB mgmt over the years
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Post by Obscure1 on Oct 07, 2024 10:55am

What I have learned from ENB mgmt over the years

First and foremost, they are smarter than me. 

They are also smarter than Wall St and all of their competitors. 

I loaded up on ENB after the market clobbered ENB's share price following their acquistion of Spectra. I sold when ENB got back itno the mid 50's and announced that they anticipated much lower growth in DCF and dividends as a consequence.  I used the proceeds to buy SU at $20 when the price of oil was in the crapper.  I should have bought CNQ instead but I didn't know a bloody thing about the oil business.  I just wanted "in" and SU seemed like a safe bet at the time to the untrained eye. 

I sold SU in the mid $40s and jumped back into ENB with a piece of the proceeds when Moda Midstream sold the Ingleside Port to ENB for what looked like pennies on the dollar and threw in two pipes to the Permian for free. The deal was a timing issue as Moda was hemorhagging cash.  Nobody was interested in the deal other than ENB who used their enormous cash flow to absorb the project. 

I jumped into ENB with both feet (and later an arm) when I figured out the implicatons of  the Dominion natgas acquisition.  The market had once again pummelled the ENB share price.  At the time, I posted that ENB had picked up a huge amount of pipe in the deal for US$14 billion which only paid for the cash flow.  If I remember correctly, the replacement cost of the pipe was about US$800 Billion.  AS I mentioned in my last post, ENB is unlikely to be able to increase revenue on the deal more than the cost of living or whatever index the regulators use, but I'm betting on the fact that they can squeeze more profit out of the $800 billion of assets. How will they do that? I dunno but I bet they do as Ebel repeated many times that it was a generational win. 

All of the information for the Spectra deal, the Ingleside deal, and the Dominion natgas deal was available to the street and to all of ENB's competitors.  The decision making by ENB mgmt was simply superior to its competitors and the street can't see past its "next earnings date. 

So, what is the takeaway from all of the above?

There are a few imo:

* ENB mgmt are smart and have a clear vision of what they are good at

* ENB are strong operationally which allows the to assimilate acquistions and cost cut effectively 

* ENB has access to capital that allows them to buy distressed assets 

* ENB is not afraid to strike when competitors and even the market are fearful. 

For me, the bottom line is that when ENB is buying and the street is punishing the share price, it might be a good time to buy. 

I don't know if ENB is going to be able to gobble up any more large acquisitions. 

If I had to guess, now that ENB has positioned itself as the giant in the industry in America, the next phase for ENB will be the long grind towards cost efficiency. 

Lowering costs over time is not a new idea.  Suncor is a perfect example as they spent tens of billions to set up their tar sands operations which initially resulted in a very high cost per barrel.  Over time, their engineers chip away at costs by finding better processes to the point where their costs are now competitive with everywhere other than the Middle East (who have their own problems as oil is their sole source of income).  You see the same principles at play with electronics and elsewhere. 

I'm kinda surprised that Birkshire Hathaway hasn't taken a position in ENB over time as ENB fits the BH investment philosophy to a "T".  Slow, steady, methodical, huge moat, strong management with a good track record.  The only reason that I can think of for BH not getting involved is that ENB has never allowed itself to get in a financial squeeze which is when BH pounces.  

All of the above info is available to everyone.  My thoughts on the topics are just my best guess. As I have mentioned before, I think ENS is heading back towards $15 per share or higher based upon how ENB performs.  After writing this, it is reasonable to expect the share price to go down as that seems to be how the market works.

Comment by Experienced on Oct 07, 2024 7:37pm
Obscure...loved your last sentence....lol One of the reasons is in a past post I talked about ENB and cost savings is that it is a low risk way to improve the bottom line. The reason for this actually quite simple. ENB is on both sides of the equation...they know their costs and they know the savings that can be achieved AND they can control both sides. This isn't true in acquisitions. My ...more  
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 09, 2024 4:19pm
Strong finish!
Comment by Jagger7 on Oct 09, 2024 6:29pm
Took 20 cents and ran, , hopefully I can come back,  a lot of shares , 40k good luck all
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 11, 2024 4:14pm
From a purely technical point of view it broke through resistance of 12.82$ and closed at 13$ so there really shouldn't be too much resistance all the way to 14$. 
Comment by Experienced on Oct 11, 2024 7:25pm
Setting aside the issue of whether technical analysis is valid or not, IMO it is a bit more complicated than just looking at a chart of ENS. 1....ENS reacts to ENB and so the proper chart to look at is that of ENB 2....a lot depends on what happens to the current discount to NAV
Comment by Beuler on Oct 11, 2024 9:19pm
I think you have to factor in devaluation of buying power, why did your house double to triple in value. Bears skip over that fundamental, the liberals diluted our currency. Off the charts historic creation of money. 
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 12, 2024 11:32am
I agree there many components as to why a stock goes up or down and technicals are just one. In the end I  feel confident that it will up in price. Sure there will be bumps in the road but overall positive vibes. Enb earnings will be an important catalyst for sure.
Comment by Experienced on Oct 12, 2024 6:47pm
Ganyman..... My earlier post was in regard to your post about forecasting based on technical analysis. That said, as per my earlier posts, I see ENB as being undervalued/underappreciated by The Street.  As well, over the years I found that more times than not that when you can buy something for less than it worth that is usually a good decision.  Hence, my ownership of ENS stock and my ...more  
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 13, 2024 8:54am
That's an excellent question! Until recently it always traded at a premium. At times at least 10% I wish I  was smart enough to know why maybe Obscure has some insight. 
Comment by roxy14 on Oct 13, 2024 11:30am
Perhaps too many raises when above premium and the way the bottom fell out of almost all spits in the fall of 2023
Comment by roxy14 on Oct 13, 2024 11:32am
think it will take sustained interest rate reductions for premium to come back mostly based on higher yield
Comment by Experienced on Oct 13, 2024 1:10pm
roxy...I am sure that that has something to do with it but it is still puzzling to me as why we now have 6-8% discounts on many splits including ENS. Seems like an overreaction to me - one extreme to another.  Common sense logic and a bit of math would suggest that most splits should trade near their NAVs and most at a small premium to NAV. In the case of ENS (unlike most splits) we have a ...more  
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 13, 2024 2:37pm
I have to agree with your thesis Experienced. Middlefield would have nothing to do with this because they want a premium so they can do raise. 
Comment by Experienced on Oct 13, 2024 3:18pm
Ganyman....yep As they say..."Follow the money".  Middlefield makes its money from management fees and so it is in their best self interest to have as many shares of ENS outstanding and the highest market cap as possible and right now with the price actually being at a discount, a lot has to happen in order for them to see a premium sufficiently high for them to do another raise ...more  
Comment by Ganyman61 on Oct 22, 2024 11:11am
I guess these are the few bumps in the road I was talking about. 
Comment by Beuler on Oct 25, 2024 8:05pm
Still another 1-1.25 in rate cuts to go, in theory. . 
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