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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Euro Sun Mining Inc T.ESM

Alternate Symbol(s):  CPNFF

Euro Sun Mining Inc. is a Canada-based mining company. The Company is focused on the exploration and development of its 100%-owned Rovina Valley gold and copper project located in west-central Romania. The Company holds the Rovina Valley Project through a mining license which covers a total of 27.68 square kilometers (km2). The Rovina Valley Project consists of three copper-gold porphyry... see more

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Euro Sun Mining Inc > DFS - NPV over $1 billion and IRR=34% at current gold price
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Post by sweepy on Mar 03, 2021 5:51pm

DFS - NPV over $1 billion and IRR=34% at current gold price

Once again Scott Moore has undermined shareholder value by using a worst case scenario for the gold and copper prices used in the DFS. It uses gold at $1550/oz that is about $200 below today's price and copper at $3.30 being $0.80 below the current price. The forecasted prices used in the DFS make a huge difference to the economics of the project.
 
As most experienced investors know, only a lucky guess can accurately predict what the price of gold and copper will be over the next 20 years. Current economic conditions with massive government spending leading to inflationary pressures in the near future are very positive for long term gold prices. But the only known fact for sure is what the price of gold is today and this price should have also been used to show its affect on the DFS. The DFS did show IRR and NPV calculations if the gold price falls $200 below current levels of $1725, but failed to show calculations if gold will be just as easily $200 above current prices to $2,000/oz, as follows:
 
    Price of Gold (per oz)                       $ 1550              $ 1725               $ 2000    
    Pre-Tax IRR                                          21%                   34%                    44%
    Pre-Tax NPV (5% discount)            $ 447 mill        $ 1,040 mill       $ 2,464 mill
    Pre-Tax NPV per share                   $ 2.64                $ 6.15                $ 14.58
    ( 169.021 mill shares)
 
Notice how the leverage of the DFS dramatically increases the NPV of the project as higher forecasted gold prices are used. For every $200 increase in the gold price, the NPV more than doubles. 
 
Most experts agree that a pre-tax IRR over 30% is necessary to make a project robust enough to attract any buyers. Obviously the higher the better. In the above graph a 30% IRR for this project is not achieved until a gold price of greater than $1700 /oz is reached.. Many long term shareholders and certainly Scott Moore knew this before the DFS was completed. He probably low balled the forecasted price in the DFS to protect himself from possible future liability from shareholders should gold not stay above this pricing. Hopefully it wasn’t to justify a future low ball offer to one of his mining buddies. 
 
These projections show that this project is economically viable if it has a capable CEO and management team. Unfortunately at present it does not and the forecasted numbers used in the DFS proves it. Once again Scott Moore is holding the share price down because he does not care about shareholder value, he only cares about himself
NPV over $! billion and IRR of 34% at current gold prices
 
Once again Scott Moore has undermined shareholder value by using a worst case scenario for the gold and copper prices used in the DFS. It uses gold at $1550/oz that is about $200 below today's price and copper at $3.30 being $0.80 below the current price. The forecasted prices used in the DFS make a huge difference to the economics of the project.
 
Comment by abcd2020 on Mar 03, 2021 6:43pm
i think sproot has donr some goof analysis u should read that report
Comment by sweepy on Mar 03, 2021 7:13pm
The 3 authors of that Sprott report have been emailed. Some of their calculations are incorrect.
Comment by abcd2020 on Mar 03, 2021 7:52pm
i m a long investor, but baswd on ur figures no big player would let go of such amazing inv opportunity to take over. and y is our stock so low, we should get some big players buy this cheap stock. clearly something is not right, one big thing is mngt incompetency
Comment by sweepy on Mar 03, 2021 9:45pm
Yes in my opinion management is our biggest problem. Over the last 5 years Scott Moore has proven himself to be incompetent as a CEO for its shareholders since day 1. The latest example is would you have known about the very favorable NPV and IRR values of the DFS using today's gold price at $1725 if somebody like me hadn't told you? Then how would a potential investor know by reading this ...more  
Comment by mooseslayer on Mar 04, 2021 8:37am
I'm not going to disagree on your opinion of Scott Moore, but the DFS is done by an independent firm and done for a reason. I think they use a 5-year average or something for the gold and copper prices. It does not compromise the possibility of a buyout because any company looking at a buyout will use their own forecasting of what they think futures will be and adjust the numbers as you did ...more  
Comment by abcd2020 on Mar 04, 2021 9:08am
lets hope we start going on speculation of buyout. cuz i dontvwant to wait 2 more years to get our permit. while this fatty keep gettingvfat paycheque and bonoses
Comment by StockDoc60 on Mar 04, 2021 12:43pm
Sweepy , as usual you have provided a good assessment of what is going On !! To emphasize your point , I am in another stock where a DFS was released recently . The very next day management hosted a webinar to go over DFS and answer questions from investors . There were no evasive  answers or excuses . The clearly stated theme was " we will do what is best for OUR!! Investors !! Still ...more  
Comment by abcd2020 on Mar 04, 2021 1:10pm
whats the stock quote i will check it out
Comment by StockDoc60 on Mar 04, 2021 3:08pm
Genm.
Comment by abcd2020 on Mar 04, 2021 3:52pm
lol i found it, they r advertising on stockhouse
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