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First Uranium Corporation > Reality Check: If the Vote Fails
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Post by OneOpinion on Jun 06, 2012 5:09pm

Reality Check: If the Vote Fails

**The following is not investment advice, just a personal opinion**

I have spent quite a bit of time reading the posts on this site, and while I absolutely sympathize with the anger and frustration of having lost so much by investing in First Uranium stock, I think it's worth taking a hard look beyond the rhetoric at the likely outcomes in this situation:

1. What happens if the shareholder vote fails:

(a) If the vote fails, the most likely scenarios are that either the debentures will default or be paid out in stock. If the debentures default, then I believe the company would go into a bankruptcy process, reorganize to pay off the senior notes and equitize the debentures, and leave the shareholders with zero. As far as I know, shareholders don't get to vote in a bankruptcy process. 

(b) If the debentures are paid out in stock, the stock will be massively diluted and considering the number of shares issued, the stock would probably be worth ~20% of its current value.  Either way, if the vote fails, shareholders lose.  

2. The Waterpan "counterbid": 

(a) I know Waterpan has told everyone that they have almost raised the money to buy First Uranium. That would be wonderful. But I will make this statement/prediction: If Waterpan was going to find the money to finance a bid for 100%--or even 50%--of First Uranium, they would have found it already. 

(b) When it becomes apparent that they don't have the money, they will most likely put forward a half-baked proposal with little or no money behind it, intended to persuade shareholders to vote down the deal so that they can put forward more half-baked proposals with no risk whatsoever to them. 

(c) Whatever Waterpan says in its press releases, just remember, they don't have any skin in the game. What do they lose by putting out press releases? If the vote fails and the stock goes to zero, they aren't going to be the ones at risk of losing money.

3.  What Anglo will do: 

I believe nothing. Why? Because They have no incentive to. Yes, they want to own the asset, but if the vote fails, they can just buy the asset cheaper later and not have to pay the shareholders anything. For now, they are the only real buyer and they will lose little by just waiting this out.

4.  Olma, Sprott, etc:

I believe that these folks are voting against this deal because the risk of losing all their money in this investment is not material to them. I would suggest that you should ask them yourselves, but I don't think they seriously expect to realize any value in this investment. They are likely angry--as they should be--and voting on principal rather than to maximize the value of their investment given the current situation. If the stock becomes worthless, they won't feel much pain.

Ultimately the question for everyone else is, how painful is it to you if the stock goes to zero?

5.  ISS, Glass Lewis, Kingsdale; this is the way it works: 

(a) Kingsdale is paid by the company to go get the votes. 

(b) ISS and Glass Lewis are paid by institutional investors -- not the company, and not Kingsdale -- to make recommendations to investors. ISS and Glass Lewis exist because institutions have a fiduciary obligation to vote proxies, but don't have time to evaluate every voting decision. ISS and Glass Lewis do this analysis for them, thereby satisfying a legal/compliance need for institutional investors. ISS and Glass Lewis don't get paid anything by the companies involved.  That doesn't mean that they can't make bad recommendations; it just means that they are not in cahoots with First Uranium or Kingsdale.

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Finally, though I think this should go without saying, I don't work for the company or any of the acquiring companies or any of their advisers. This is just me expressing a personal opinion.

Thanks for listening.

Comment by idunnobut on Jun 06, 2012 5:24pm
So, how much money are shareholder's going to get if they vote yes?
Comment by Critical_Mass on Jun 06, 2012 5:25pm
So who do you work for then or what is your interest in FIU?  You obviously have spent a lot of time analyzing the situation and are trying to sway us to your side. You would not spend so much time writing this if you did not have something at stake or work for someone who did.  So please do tell us what your interest in FIU is that you spent so much time going over our past posts and ...more  
Comment by AIGswap on Jun 06, 2012 5:31pm
Read the press release - shareholders get 33 cents if this vote goes through (22 initial and 11 in escrow)
Comment by idunnobut on Jun 06, 2012 5:35pm
I didn't ask you how much money shareholders are getting. If FIU shareholders are going to get 0.33, why aren't you or anyone else buying?
Comment by uranicynic on Jun 06, 2012 5:44pm
A quick riposte to some of your opinions. Oh by the way, congratulations on becoming a Stockhouse member of .....two days. 1.B The dilution of shares to satisfy debenture debt. AngloGold has the most to lose from the dilution so I think it would be in there best interest to try and affect a compromise. 2.C  Waterpan not having any skin in the game. Neither do our senior management nor our ...more  
Comment by Hmmmmmmm on Jun 06, 2012 5:45pm
OneOpinion - Good note with valid points. I am aware of the risks involved but I have to believe in the Waterpan counterbid materializing. They did come forward with 80-million for Ezulwini. Current mgmt has lost trust so many have turned elsewhere. The current offer could net zero. No one can tell us for sure. ISS is an arm of Kingsdale. BTW, are you a shareholder too?
Comment by stude on Jun 06, 2012 5:57pm
You are a member since June/04/2012 . Who are you ? Did you work or belong to Mgmt team ? If you are insider I just want you to know my position that I WON'T CHANGE MY VOTE " NO " . I don't care whether Waterpan will make serious offer or not and even FIU go to BANKRUPCY , with me IT IS BETTER THAN $.11 or $.01 , I want to make sure Deon and BoD get NOTHING , no PACKAGE , DEON ...more  
Comment by idunnobut on Jun 06, 2012 9:43pm
**The following is not investment advice, just a personal opinion** Strange you feel the need to say this. Everything here is just personal opinion. Do you think anybody is going to take your advice as anything but? I've been waiting for somebody, anybody (even somebody who just joined stockhouse recently), to try to make the case for voting yes to the asset sales. You talk about " ...more  
Comment by OneOpinion on Jun 06, 2012 11:24pm
Thank you to everyone for their feedback.  It's clear that there is a lot of animosity toward this company, and just looking at the stock chart I can see why.  As to a few of the comments that were made in response to my post: 1. Who am I? Just an investor. And yes, I have skin in the game, presumably just like everyone else posting here. Yes, I'm posting ...more  
Comment by idunnobut on Jun 07, 2012 12:00am
You are encouraging retail investors to call around, but you left out the numbers for the members of the board? I frankly don't find it easy talking to people who have been lying to me though. I suppose you've been calling around then. What do those people have to say? Do tell us, or are you just being hypocritical? Usually I rely on press releases and other public information to make ...more  
Comment by shiftman on Jun 07, 2012 12:14am
 This gentleman makes some sense.  Can someone phone Waterpan and have that conversation with Chopper. Call Anglo Gold talk to Cutie fanny. It would be helpful to know if the WPC company can raise this kind of money, kind of get a feel of what the offer may be, is it cash, shares whatever it is. Can we be shareholders if it becomes a South African company. Also if they can get financing& ...more  
Comment by airgoddafi on Jun 07, 2012 1:58am
You smell fishy....... How can you not be aware of SH board when it was all over the press that these cats here organized dissent against management?   FISHY.......
Comment by ANONYM0US on Jun 07, 2012 2:00am
I called all those people you said and they told me there is lots of money for financing. They were  so happy a common shareholder would bother to call and ask those questions because nobody had bothered to just ask before this. I am so relieved now. Sounds like some people are desprit.
Comment by ANONYM0US on Jun 07, 2012 2:07am
I called deon too and asked him to guaranty the .33 and he said he would call me back after he checked with kingsdale to see what they thought. That was just before he told me he didnèt have a crystal ball.
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