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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum illumin Holdings Inc T.ILLM

Alternate Symbol(s):  ILLMF

illumin Holdings Inc. provides a journey advertising platform, which enables marketers to reach consumers at every stage of their journey by leveraging advanced machine learning algorithms and real-time data analytics. It enables advertisers to connect intelligently with audiences across online display, video, social and mobile campaigns. Its Programmatic Marketing Platform, powered by machine... see more

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illumin Holdings Inc > Reflecting on my mistakes
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Post by Torontojay on Jan 26, 2023 2:12pm

Reflecting on my mistakes

When something is too good to be true, you need to follow your gut instincts. I will highlight the mistakes I made in the decision to purchase shares in this company. I hope this post will help others not make a similar error in judgement. 


1) Dont believe management when they tell you they have a product that's going to be disruptive in the marketplace. This has an all too familiar playbook such as when the Ceo of Theranos Elizabeth Holmes telling shareholders that their technology is going to change the world. That's complete B.S. 
Illumin is far from taking over the world of advertising. After 2 years of "pumping" Illumin, it has only $1.2 million in self serve revenue (Q3) which is a disappointment. 

2) Don't invest in a company that's cheaper than others in the industry when the industry as a whole was overvalued to begin with. I think this point needs emphasis. For instance, if Acuityads has a 25 P/E ratio and Trade Desk has a 100 times P/E ratio then that doesn't make Acuityads a buy when you can pick up an oil stock for a 7 times P/E ratio. It's clear who the winner is going to be. It's all about absolute valuation that matters. The adtech industry was in the biggest bubble that I can remember. You can toss relative valuation in the garbage. 

3) Dont pay any attention to management guidance.


Often times, a Ceo is going to pump up his stock to make it appear better than it is. I would suggest investors pay attention to the financial statements and with an emphasis on the "audited" Q4 numbers. Take managements guidance with a grain of salt. The Ceo Tal Hayek has lied on so many occasions. 
 

4) The past Cfo cashed out completely and that should have been a red flag in 2020 and all the reason to have cashed out with them. Something didn't add up. They apparently had the best product on the market but yet nobody was buying shares.  

5) Invest in companies that have a proven business model.  The mistake I made is that I put too much faith towards a product that had not been tested in the market. It was clear to me they were going to discontinue their legacy business but the new business model had not been proven yet. Looking back, I should have waited to see results on Illumin and now after 2 years I can say it's been a disappointment. 
 

6) Management credibility. 

This one is important. I cannot tell you how many times Tal Hayek has mislead investors. Invest in companies that under promise and over deliver. 


lie # 1- 30% of lost revenue was due to covid. Ok, if that's true, then why are year to date revenue numbers lower y/y?. They should be higher with an opening economy. This tells me those clients did not come back to Acuityads or the 30% decline in revenue was never true to begin with. 


lie # 2- On October 2020, Tal Hayek says the sales lead time for Illumin was 6-9 months. Ok, so howecome Q3 2021 was nothing spectacular? 


lie #3 - this one should be more familiar. Do you remember when Tal Hayek promised 20-25% revenue growth for the year? Well it turns out, they are down 5% in revenue compared to last year. In all likelihood they will show a negative revenue growth for the year. 


Management has lost all credibility and if one is investing in this company, treat it like a cigar butt. It might have one last puff before the nail in the coffin.

Comment by TigerKing on Jan 26, 2023 8:55pm
You did a hell of a job pumping tf out of this stock and I blindly followed like an idiot. I wish people weren't so confident about sht they're not 100% sure about.
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 26, 2023 10:36pm
Really? Your mistake was even worse than mine. Don't ever buy a stock because a particular investor is promoting the stock. You never know what their agenda is. At least I did my due diligence even though it was flawed.   
Comment by campst on Jan 27, 2023 3:43am
Pessimistic, with good reason.  A few macro items to add to the list: omecron, meme stock spillover, inflation, war, recession. CEO's of startups will always present a rosey view, sometimes to the point of fraud.  Most of the time imo the view is 'best case'. My issue with management is not lieing, it's do they have the right skill set to take the next step.  ...more  
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 27, 2023 5:11am
  Hi Campst. I do believe macro concerns and a weak advertising market pummeled this stock to the ground. It could rise for a nice annual gain when these concerns dissipate. I do not believe 2023 is going to be a good year for advertising stocks. Im 99% certain about this. A recession is going to arrive soon. Let's just hope it's a mild one.  When all of the smoke clears ...more  
Comment by growthnprosper on Jan 27, 2023 8:22am
You are not the only one.......I should have sold not that long ago at $33. Have to hold now and hope for the best. Mgmt were buying alot of shares recently so that is a good sign!
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 27, 2023 9:04am
  You are right, management buying shares is a good sign.  I just don't trust the Ceo anymore. Tal Hayek had sold a tonne of shares during the run up. He was clever and manipulative and knew exactly what he was doing. 
Comment by campst on Jan 27, 2023 10:27am
TJ.  I did the same, as noted  noted in another post.  I guess the difference being I sold 1/3 of my shares.  On the positive side, if you bought over $1, you are still up roughly 100%. Not bad in my books. WRT the legacy business, they really have no choice but to maintain until Illumin grows sufficiently. GLTA.
Comment by campst on Jan 27, 2023 4:12am
Pessimistic, with good reason.@ A few macro items to add to the list: omecron, meme stock spillover, inflation, war, recession. CEO@s of startups will always present a rosey view, sometimes to the point of fraud.@ Most of the time imo the view is @best case@. My issue with management is not lieing, it@s do they have the right skill set to take the next step.@ FWIW, I@m certainly not selling my ...more  
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