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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Ivanhoe Mines Ltd T.IVN

Alternate Symbol(s):  IVPAF

Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. is a Canada-based mining, development, and exploration company. The Company is focused on the mining, development and exploration of minerals and precious metals from its property interests located primarily in Africa. Its projects include The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex, The Kipushi Project, The Platreef Project., and The Western Foreland Exploration Project. The Kamoa... see more

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Ivanhoe Mines Ltd > Risk and size adjusted IVN comparison
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Post by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 5:48pm

Risk and size adjusted IVN comparison

Ivanhoe (IVN) versus Nevada Copper (NCU) on a future free cash flow comparison basis.


I use IVN as a comparison because it is low priced relative to future free cash-flow. Ivanhoe suffers a discount for being in the DRC. Both mines are 3 or 4 years until full production free cash flow. 


IVN only owns 40% of KK and KK is about 85% of IVN’s total value that includes 3 more properties.


I am now using a larger $1.2 billion future cost to build the NCU open pit.


To this I add $600 million EV to arrive at $1.8 billion future EV  for NCU versus $8.5 billion EV for IVN adjusted to the KK mine only.




Based on copper production about 4 years from now

IVN 40%

owned DRC

 

NCU 100% owned USA

IVN 500,000 tonnes (copper study group avg est.) Adjusted to 40%`owned

440 million pounds

220 million (prob more now since video) + 70 million underground

290 million pounds

IVN av cost $1.15 all in cost 

$3.45 C/F

NCU av cost $2.00 all in

$2.60 C/F

Long term avg annual free cash flow using $4.60 copper

$1.52 billion

 

$750 million

IVN E/V adjusted to KK only

$8.5 billion

NCU EV adjusted to incl the open pit

$1.8 billion

IVN E/V divided by 2 to equalize free cash flow between IVN and NCU

$4.25 billion

NCU E/V is only 42% of IVN before discounting for DRC risk (see next line)

$1.8 billion

DRC 30 year risk adjustment is to say that the $4.25 b E/V would be $5.3 b if the KK mine were in the USA instead

$5.3 billion

NCU is currently trading at 33.9% the risk adjusted price of IVN

$1.8 billion

This means IVN is 3 times more expensive on future C/F basis 

     

What this comparison tells me is that Investors in IVN are willing to pay 3 times as much per share for future cash flow versus buying shares in NCU. 


There is no doubt that estimated share value and cash flow is always decoupled from what buyers are actually willing to pay.


N
Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 6:08pm
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Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 6:10pm
Have you considered? A) I do not care what you think unless it is relevant to investment 2) I do want to buy int IVN at some point once I see the cross-over price tha I believe works. N
Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 6:21pm
Soory bad grammer. What I mean is that once I see a ratio that is better (example when NCU goes to $1.25) thus it is up about 5 X from here and, if it were to be the case, that IVN is under $12.00 still I would buy $1 million or so of IVN shares. N
Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 6:33pm
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Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 6:37pm
Thank you... please define what you mean by "retard."  Do you mean I am slow to understand how valuable IVN is compared to NCU and that it is only a case of my brain not working, or an inability to use a calculator, that is the reason I am not an Ivan-cultist? N
Comment by alvarez2 on Jun 02, 2021 6:50pm
A retard might be a little harsh, but with little doubt, you are definitely a nurd. Perhaps a little simple as well ?
Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 7:09pm
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Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 7:48pm
In what sense is it spamming? I am comparing two assets and speculating on what they might buy and sell for in the future. It is actually possible to compare a truck load of DRC bananas and a truck load of Nevada copper but to trade them requires knowing their relative pricing in fiat currency or bitcoin or gold or dounuts. N
Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 7:59pm
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Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 8:04pm
So you are the moderator... good job. I will recommend you for a promotion.  BTW have you heard of etf's? Do yourself a favour and look into them at your local bank branch. N
Comment by Cobalt on Jun 02, 2021 8:13pm
I very much call into question their conviction in IVN when all they can do is attack and name call you as if you are moving this stock , they so scared they need to try and discredit you , "retard" really? LOL after hours and you living rent free in thier heads ;P  
Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 8:28pm
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Comment by BccaneerIsland on Jun 02, 2021 8:31pm
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Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 8:47pm
Don't forget to compare around to see which bait is working best these days. N
Comment by Lucentio on Jun 02, 2021 8:04pm
Nevada copper would be a truckload compared to Ivanhoe's cargo ship load,
Comment by Notgnu on Jun 02, 2021 8:12pm
Now that's what I am talking about: A truckload of copper versus a cargo ship of bananas. N
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