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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Life & Banc Split Corp T.LBS

Alternate Symbol(s):  LFBCF | T.LBS.PR.A

Life & Banc Split Corp. (the Fund) is a Canada-based mutual fund company. The Fund's investment objective is to provide holders of Preferred shares with fixed cumulative preferential quarterly cash distributions and to return the original issue price on the maturity date, and to provide holders of Class A shares with regular monthly cash distributions and the opportunity for growth in Net Asset... see more

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Life & Banc Split Corp > What's at play for LBS this week
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Post by thinkyourmoney on Nov 30, 2020 1:32pm

What's at play for LBS this week

I just looked and the yield of the dividend at this price is 18.29 percent.  With the tax preferential  treatment of dividends for this kind of income that is a fantastic return on investment,  By the rule of 72 you get your investment back in 4 years.  If this is the beginning of the return to normalcy for split shares that is as good as it gets...but that is another topic.

I want to talk about what is happening today and in the next week.

First dynamic is that it is the end of the month.  Algorithms  are scraping profits from anything that moved up substantially.  Shorts are closing positions to cash and will start up again as the new month starts.  Others are just profit taking.

The second dynamic is that Christia Freeland is giving her Economic update in a few minutes or hours from now.  The whole market is holding its breath until they hear where the government is setting its economic course for the next 12 to 18 months.  That is a perfect opportunity for the first dynamic to operate in.  It is also standard operating procedure for Mr Market.

The most immediate item about this week that is important to LBS owners is that it is Q4 and year end earnings week for the Canadian Banks.  There is a little survey on the BNN  website where they asked people to rate what is the most important news to look for in these reports.  Out of 4 choices 47% chose that loan loss provisions are the most important news to watch.

All  of the insurance companies but more importantly all of the "near to being" banks or alternate lenders have reported.  All have reported that loan books are healthy and that they have not had to dig into the higher loan loss provisions already set aside in earlier quarters.  Some have even released this money back onto the positive side of the balance sheet and cash side of their reports.

If that happens with the banks, they would look at increasing dividends or buying back shares.  IF THEY COULD !   However the OSFI (google it if you don't know what they do) came out last week and told banks not to spend this windfall this way.  And  that is probably a wise thing to do from a government perspective.  Even on a business side it errs on the side of safety and the money still sits there as a cash asset instead of a liability.  Once the economic picture comes clear, it will be there to allow for share buybacks or increased dividends. 

This is good for both sides of Split Shares.

All of the smaller banks and alternate lenders had a nice bump (some like GSY had a really nice bump) and FN even declared as special dividend of $.50 per share.   


For those who know this stuff,  I think most of this is already priced in to the price of the banks and of the Split Shares.  Let's see how this week plays out.

Mouserman,  I saw that when I first looked at your post earlier today and did a double check.  I knew you would catch it or someone would draw it to your attention.
Comment by thinkyourmoney on Dec 01, 2020 12:48pm
Today had 2 out of the 5 big Canadian banks report.  The next 2 days will confirm whether or not US mortgages will also require less loan loss provisions.  The thing is that modern algorithms used in mortgage approval have this sort of risk pretty much recession proof after the fallout from 2008 bankiing practices.  But lets make sure and the proof will be in the numbers tomorrow ...more  
Comment by mouserman on Dec 01, 2020 2:44pm
Yes i have gotten rid of most of those annoying spam posts...and for a while was considering giving up on SH altogether. While i do enjoy reading the posts and updating NAVs for the folks, i do NOT NEED to be on the site. I do just fine , ignoring the bull on here.... LBS today by the way , has improved the UIT NAV by about 1.8% at this point, even with SLF down today. That is a gain of nearly 30 ...more  
Comment by ThatAlbertaGuy on Dec 01, 2020 3:02pm
Thanks for the NAV update :) looks like a lot of volume at 6.65 good discount to get in at ! 
Comment by mouserman on Dec 01, 2020 3:26pm
Yes well looks like i got some at a considerable discount at 6.64 and under....last bit filled at 6.62 Was NOT expecting to get any, since the holdings have had a stellar day. Amazing to me that folks are buying DFN at over a 23% premium to NAV, but cant see the value buying LBS at a discount. Without the financials today DFN would have no gains...
Comment by ThatAlbertaGuy on Dec 01, 2020 4:11pm
We know ry is gonna hit a home run tomorrow hoping national does as well. Gonna ride this bank earning season out and see what happens I was pretty negative on the market prior to this morning .
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