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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Largo Inc T.LGO

Alternate Symbol(s):  LGO

Largo Inc. is a Canada-based producer and supplier of vanadium products. The Company’s segments include sales & trading, mine properties, corporate, exploration and evaluation properties (E&E properties), Largo Clean Energy and Largo Physical Vanadium. Its VPURE and VPURE+ products, which are sourced from one of the vanadium deposits at the Company's Maracas Menchen Mine in Brazil. The Company... see more

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Largo Inc > Tax (Expense) and Deferred Tax (Expense) / Recovery
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Post by kha341 on Dec 07, 2021 7:48pm

Tax (Expense) and Deferred Tax (Expense) / Recovery

The following tables show that the “Income Tax (Expense)” and “Deferred Income Tax (Expense) / Recovery” booked for Q2-21 and Q3-21 seem to be outliers as they are very high considering the Income Before Tax of the same Q (40.4% and 31.8% respectively). How can any company survive such high rates / % of Income Tax / Deferred Income Tax? These two tax items are key for us to meet or miss the analyst consensus EPS for Q4-21. I would love to see a Tax Recovery (instead Tax Expense) for Q4. DYODD


 

Income before tax C$

Tax & Deferred Tax

Percentage

Q1-18

49.5M

(3.7M)

7.4%

Q2-18

50.3M

40.4M Recovery

 

Q3-18

91.7M

(20.3M)

22.1%

Q4-18

131.2M

(23.1M)

17.6%

Full Year 2018

322.7M

(6.7M)

2%


 

Income before tax C$

Tax & Deferred Tax

Percentage

Q1-20

3.9M

0.6M Recovery

 

Q2-20

(5.5M) Loss

(1.48M)

 

Q3-20

3.3M

(0.83)

24%

Q4-20

6.0M

0.86M Recovery

 

Full Year 2020

7.7M

(0.96M)

12.4%


 

Income before tax C$

Tax & Deferred Tax

Percentage

Full Year 2018

322.7M

(6.7M)

2%

Full Year 2020

7.7M

(0.96M)

12.4%

Q1-21

4.5M

(0.3M)

6.8%

Q2-21

14.2M

(5.7M)

40.4%

Q3-21

13.5M

(4.3M)

31.8%

Q4-21

???

expense/recovery?

???

Comment by kha341 on Dec 07, 2021 11:20pm
Should read US$ The following tables show that the “Income Tax (Expense)” and “Deferred Income Tax (Expense) / Recovery” booked for Q2-21 and Q3-21 seem to be outliers as they are very high considering the Income Before Tax of the same Q (40.4% and 31.8% respectively). How can any company survive such high rates / % of Income Tax / Deferred Income Tax? These two tax items are key for us to meet ...more  
Comment by kha341 on Dec 07, 2021 11:32pm
Sorry. Expressed in US$ except for 2018 The following tables show that the “Income Tax (Expense)” and “Deferred Income Tax (Expense) / Recovery” booked for Q2-21 and Q3-21 seem to be outliers as they are very high considering the Income Before Tax of the same Q (40.4% and 31.8% respectively). How can any company survive such high rates / % of Income Tax / Deferred Income Tax? These two tax ...more  
Comment by screamer99 on Dec 08, 2021 7:16am
Deferred income tax is largely a non-cash figure and is the difference between accounting and tax book values of capital assets (e.g., impacted by depreciation and capital cost tax deductions). There will/should be no recovery in Q4. The deferred tax asset continues to be drawn down and may even turn into a deferred tax liability. Of the two, I'd only be concerned with the income taxes as a  ...more  
Comment by kha341 on Dec 08, 2021 10:09am
1) In Q2-18 Income Before Tax = C$50.3M and we had an Income Tax Expense of (C$5.2M) and also a Deferred Tax Recovery of C$45.6M resulting in an Income After Tax of C$90.7M.  2) Income Before Tax minus (Income Tax + Deferred Tax) = Income After Tax. And Income After Tax is used to calculate the company’s EPS to be compared with the analyst consensus EPS. Of course Deferred Tax is non-cash ...more  
Comment by kha341 on Dec 08, 2021 10:46am
Btw, in Q4-20 we had an Income Tax Recovery of US$0.28M and a Deferred Income Tax Recovery of US$0.58 for a total Recovery of US$0.86M
Comment by screamer99 on Dec 08, 2021 11:13am
I'm not disagreeing with the EPS calc, just pointing out its volatility due to deferred taxes (which is difficult for any analyst to predict). The average V price in Q4-20 was just north of $5, which isn't the case. There will be no tax recovery in Q4-21 and there shouldn't be with a profitable company.
Comment by kha341 on Dec 08, 2021 12:46pm
We are talking about 2 different items here: Income Tax Recovery (Expense) and Deferred Income Tax Recovery (Expense). As you know the “Deferred” item has nothing to do with profitability. The year 2018 was the most profitable year for Largo. In Q2-18 alone Largo was making a truck load of earnings (C$50.3M in Income Before Tax) and the company also booked C$45.6M in Deferred Income Tax Recovery ...more  
Comment by screamer99 on Dec 08, 2021 3:57pm
It is out of the question. We differ in opinion. With prior year losses, the deferred income tax asset (loss carry forwards) were not recognized on the books until there was some certainty into profitable years which only came later and this was the result of the deferred income tax recoveries in later years. The asset is now being drawn down which results in a deferred income tax expense. Add ...more