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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Nano One Materials Corp T.NANO

Alternate Symbol(s):  NNOMF

Nano One Materials Corp. is a clean technology company with a patented, scalable and low-carbon intensity industrial process for the low-cost production of high-performance lithium-ion battery cathode materials. It specializes in the production of low-cost, high-performance cathode active materials for lithium-ion batteries. Its technology is applicable to electric vehicles, energy storage, and... see more

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Nano One Materials Corp > Tesla and Jeff Dahmen - Patents for Single Crystal CAM
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Post by Lawisfun on Jan 28, 2024 7:50pm

Tesla and Jeff Dahmen - Patents for Single Crystal CAM

Tesla and Jeff Dahn have their own patents for single crystal CAM unrelated to the Nano One Pot process technology.  I do not believe these Tesla patents use One Pot as a starting point. 

This seems to contradict that Tesla would need One Pot for a single crystal CAM since Tesla and Jeff Dahmen have worked out their own process technology.


Perhaps Tesla still wants One Pot for M2CAM or perhaps the One Pot single crystal process is simply better and further developed.  But that remains unknown and somewhat unlikely considering the resources Tesla has been applying to this problem.


In any case, Tesla and Jeff Dahn have lots of patents of their own and it may be a stretch to think Nano and Tesla will be working together because of the patents Jeff Dahn has already published for Tesla. 

Article (all-dry single crystal synthesis process):
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-backed-battery-research-team-works-on-a-single-crystal-cobalt-free-li-ion-battery-218027.html#:~:text=Intriguingly%2C%20the%20single%2Dcrystal%20NM64,Tesla%20for%20the%204680%20cells.

 

Great Video summary:
https://youtu.be/dpe-ajzucTE

Comment by contrap127 on Jan 28, 2024 10:25pm
At that time, Jeff Dahn did not use “single crystal” cathodes manufactured by Nano One Materials! But: "... so if you make these single crystal particles, they should succeed >> however you do it. <<" https://nickelinstitute.org/en/blog/2021/january/single-crystal-ni-containing-cathodes-a-conversation-with-prof-jeff-dahn/ But that has probably changed significantly now with ...more  
Comment by Gtnano on Jan 29, 2024 5:26am
Jeff Dahn are a electrolyte engineer he makes the electrolyte and singel crystal cathode work together. Tesla and Jeff Dahn has electrolyte patents that works with singel crystal cathode. That is theyr patents.  They hav not patents to make single crystal cathode material  Tesla has also patents regarding cathode precursors but that has nothing to do with singel crystal cathode ...more  
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 6:33am
I'm not sure if you misread the papers that were included in the links but most certainly Tesla/Jeff Dahn have patents to make single crystal CAM that are not related to the specialized electrolyte solutions they have also developed.  Furthermore, China has been producing single crystal CAM at industrial scale for some time now.  However, hopefully One Pot is a more efficient ...more  
Comment by Gtnano on Jan 29, 2024 7:23am
Again Jeff Dahn does not have a patent regarding CAM or singel crystal cathode.  Jeff Dahn used singel crystal cathode from China in his research.  And this type of cathode are to costly to produce in North America and Europa 
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 7:56am
Perhaps English is not your first language or alternatively, perhaps you have trouble reading? "The present method allows for single crystal NCA materials to be produced" Patent Link: https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020082019A1/en
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 7:59am
I'm not saying that Tesla/Jeff Dahn single crystal cathode process is better that One Pot. But to suggest Tesla/Jeff Dahn don't have a patented process for single crystal cathode is ignorant.    [0009] Methods disclosed herein include a first lithiation step, wherein a lithium and an other metal component are present in a first lithium/other metal ratio of less than 1.0 and ...more  
Comment by Gtnano on Jan 29, 2024 8:27am
0016] FIG. 1A shows Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) images of the NCA(OH)2 precursor with a 4 pm scale bar shown and FIG. 1B shows SEM images of the resulting NCA(OH)2product with alO pm scale bar shown.@@ ......This is a patent of how you make a cathode precursor and electron in a battery. Nothing tho do with singel crystal cathode materials and it is a NCA battery.Nano One have all nmc nsa ...more  
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 8:48am
Good grief…You should go please request @patriotnano to give you a lesson in material science...   “Single crystal cathode material is made by manipulating the process technology at the precursor level to develop the single crystals.  That precursor is used to yield single crystal cathode material for battery cells.”   Nano One skips the pCAM step but that doesn’t mean that everyone ...more  
Comment by Gtnano on Jan 29, 2024 9:17am
If you Just read.....This is what Jeff Dahn say in your own link.......We have looked at industrially prepared materials and I have no idea what they did to make their material. It’s a very simple argument for why the single crystal succeeds so if you make these single crystal particles, they should succeed however you do it.
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 9:35am
@GTnano, If after reading the patent, and hearing from Jeff Dahn himself, and hearing from others in your community and external to your community, if you still believe Tesla/Jeff Dahn have not patented a process to make single crystal cathode materials then there is nothing more I can say to help you. I have no idea why you would reject reality so forcefully.  But you are entitled to your ...more  
Comment by Lazerbeam on Jan 29, 2024 9:37am
Youre quite condescending with your replies. No wonder nobody appreciates your input even if it does add value to the investment in Nano One. 
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 9:55am
It's "you're" not "youre". 
Comment by Lazerbeam on Jan 29, 2024 10:00am
Oh, thank you Mr. Pretentious. Its Jeff Dahn not Dahmen like you have in the post title. You should do everyone a favour and try logging off sometime.    gOoD luCk to aLl lOngS  
Comment by Lawisfun on Jan 29, 2024 10:44am
Geez so sensitive I was just teasing. Look, this sector is in some serious trouble for the moment.  Market sentiment is strongly against even the established/profitable plays in this space.  Nano One is far from being profitable or commercially established.  And therefore, we are trying to work together as a community to help one another identify when a good time is to deploy our ...more  
Comment by Gtnano on Jan 29, 2024 10:56am
https://youtu.be/aFKUvv4sFr8?si=9DOdmgSlK5rLG4AK
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