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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Obsidian Energy Ltd T.OBE

Alternate Symbol(s):  OBE

Obsidian Energy Ltd. is a Canada-based exploration and production company. The Company operates in one segment, to explore for, develop and hold interests in oil and natural gas properties and related production infrastructure in the Western Canada Sedimentary Basin directly and through investments in securities of subsidiaries holding such interests. It has a portfolio of assets producing... see more

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Obsidian Energy Ltd > Share base compensation explained (both past and future outl
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Post by kavern23 on Jul 30, 2021 6:32pm

Share base compensation explained (both past and future outl

Shareholder compensation is complex so i thought I would post on it.

Really 4 things that go into the hare based compensation:
DSU's, PSU's, RSU's and stock options.  Then cash bonus programs.

So first one is DSU...with D standing for Deferred Share Unit plans.
Basically this was created in leau of giving stock options to non-management directors...so part of giving up being awarded stock options was this plan...and it allows the company to save cashflow until this non-mangement director either retires or get's kicked out.
When this happens...basically in so many days like 10...using the 5 day wieghted average price...you have to pay out all the DSU units that director has in their account in cash. Cash award is caluculated however many units * 4.24 =
So a director's retainer would be paid out during the years in DSU's instead of cash.
Really gives them incentive to have OBE high as possible  right before they leave as the bigger the payment.

What i am not quite clear on was why it looks like the DSU part cost 5.7M.
If I add up the 2 directors that left DSU units...I get Frily plus Maureen at 515,662 DSU units * 4.24 = 2.186M.  Very long why from 5.7M that shows in note 10. What I suspect happened, but cant guarantee is that by being kicked out they got some kind of severace units or maybe more units were granted in 2021 and the management circular isnt capturing it.

Regardless...we will not face this expense again until a director retires or leaves.
As shareholders we need to becareful when we do this and kick them out.
Really we shouldnt have been buying in June as we helped those 2 directors get paid more in cash.

But we shouldnt have anything here until next June 2022.

Then the PSU's which are Performance Share Unit plan. PSU were 2.6M in Q3and I think this is cash payment as well. No market to market here. This are granted to management based on hitting targets, etc....and I think these units build up like a bank account. IE any executive is going to want to cash in their units the higher OBE share price is.,so any unit being cashed in would be * 4.24.
Hypo example....if person  X had 40000 PSU's...ask to cash in the Q with a higher OBE share price.
I don't think this will be that high in Q3 or 4.  I mean the number of units has went down.  Sure they would want a nice price to cash in more.
But I do think management individual triggers when they want the units converted to cash.

Then the RSU's.  Restricted share plan.  These vest 1/3 per year in March. Think same concept. The units can either build up like a bank account or they can be converted for cash or shares by the invidudal.   This was 0.4m.

All of these unit plans really are just giving the person a "paid for stock option".  

But some investors like this vs having huge stock option plans as this expenses the true cost of share based compensation.  Having 10% of shares outstanding is what companies usually have if they dont use this SU's.

And then the small portion for OBE is the stock option plan.
This is market-market valuation...but it is small chips compared to the other plans.

But I guess nice thing is it does cut back on dilution.

OBE needs to do what CJ used to do....CJ used to when they had the money...they would buy shares on the open market to hold in treasury...ready for payment when the person wanted to convert.  
The buying on the open market was like doing a share buyback in some sense and suckin up shares and helping share price slowly.
Problem is the person has option to recieve cash or shares for thier share units.

They they should be forced to take OBE stock for each share unit conversion.

Just my 2 cents.

Still really bullish on OBE.
Comment by kavern23 on Jul 30, 2021 6:54pm
Actually more tricky then I thought. I don't think the cash component out is shown split out anywhere in the financials for those unit plans other then a person can tell is is 8.9M which can be figured out reconciling the cashflow statement to income statement. The splits on Note 10 of the DSU, RSU, and PSU's are not the cash out numbers.  They are the splits of those units plans on ...more  
Comment by Kramerkarma on Jul 30, 2021 9:47pm
Thanks for the write up. I'm also still bullish. The cheaper the shares the less we pay in these payouts and the higher the shares the more in my account. Debt went down ... and last company I was all in on was PXT zero debt 10% share buy back ... guess what in 2019 directors sold 30M$ of shares (buy back was 300M$ 3B$ MCAP) so ya theres no perfect solution. Also look at other companies from ...more  
Comment by kavern23 on Jul 30, 2021 11:23pm
Kramer you should look at slide 17 of the new investor presentation...it shows obe compared to other companies. It shows OBE is undervalued but it is even worse when you look at the numbers these analysts are using for estimates. If you do backward math...YGR has estimated production of 10136 BOE in 2021 and 12597boe. And obe is 23451 boe in 2021 and 25889 boe for 2022. I am just doing backward ...more  
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