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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Quarterhill Inc T.QTRH

Alternate Symbol(s):  QTRHF | T.QTRH.DB

Quarterhill Inc. is a Canada-based company, which is engaged in providing of tolling and enforcement solutions in the intelligent transportation system (ITS) industry. The Company is focused on the acquisition, management and growth of companies that provide integrated, tolling and mobility systems and solutions to the ITS industry as well as its adjacent markets. The Company’s solutions... see more

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Quarterhill Inc > Rough calculation of stock market's excess discount...55c
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Post by shareholders1 on Oct 13, 2021 1:31pm

Rough calculation of stock market's excess discount...55c

...Starting point is what was paid for recent acquisition, with a small bump to 175m for synergies. Other assumptions include IRD is also worth 175m,   and that Wilan worth 6 x 30m Ebitda or 180m and no further adjustment re Apple case.

My rough calculations indicate the stock market may be under-valuing QTRH by about 55c per share.

Any one caring to read through should check for any errors and any faulty assumptions.

Recent acquisition cost 150, but say             175
Say IRD value is the same                            175
Guesstimate of current excess cash               75
Less Debt                                                      (75)

Total value pre Wilan                                     350

Less 25% market discount to value              ( 87)

Net stock market value pre Wilan                  263

Per share (using just 116m shares)               $2.27/ share

Current share price                                        $2.85/ share

Implied stock market value of Wilan           58c/ share or 69.6m
 
Stock market’s possible excessive discount of Wilan/ QTRH

Stock market implied total value of Wilan        69.6

Guesstimate of Wilan Value  (6X30 Ebitda)   180

Excess Discount                                             110.4

25% appropriate discount on 180                     47

Excessive discount by market                         63.4

Excessive Discount Per share                     54.6c
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Oct 13, 2021 1:44pm
Good exercise shareholders. A few observations: 1. I believe the excess cash, once Q3 is announced in a couple of weeks, could be +$30M to $50M higher on the back of the Motorola license. 2. There are 113M shares outstanding. 3. How did you come to the 25% discount on ITS? These items likely make the Wilan value zero, or close to it.
Comment by shareholders1 on Oct 13, 2021 2:03pm
Excess cash - Wilan needs a certain amount of cash to litigate - similar to a company needing inventory or working capital to operate/ Shares OS - I took off the bank site, which is not always up to date, but if use 113m, there are options and Share rights plans that mean effective share dilution, so 116m may be a bit low. Discount of 25% - often companies are acquired for a 30 to 33% premium to ...more  
Comment by Justhalffull on Oct 13, 2021 2:10pm
Not a chance on this little blue planet that they will generate $30 to $50 additional cash in q3.  They have had negative cf for both Q1 and Q2.  To have that much change from the motorola deal woulda make it material, and they have never announced it as such.  The license was for connectivity to a receptive wireless internet.  Likely worth less than $10 million.
Comment by shareholders1 on Oct 13, 2021 2:54pm
Justhalfful - I had given up, but will try one more time. Are Rogers or BCE's quarterly earnings material? I say yes, as that they represent anout 25% of annual profit. Do they regularly preannounce each quarter? No.  And even if their results were unusually good, I believe the current interpretation of "material change" is that it only refers to changes in the business ...more  
Comment by Justhalffull on Oct 13, 2021 4:25pm
Well then you obviously have no idea what timely disclosure is.  Below is the link to the TSX policy 3.3, which lists requirements to maintain your TSX listing.  In particular read paragraphs 3.8(j) and 3.8 (k).  I have never said they have to disclose their quarterly earnings as material, erroneously state.  But just for the record, they DO have to report their quarterly ...more  
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Oct 13, 2021 6:43pm
1/2full, QTRH has announced that the fiscal 2021 licensing business will perform in line with the prior year, except for extraordinary events like resolution of the Apple litigation. That means QTRH needs ~$45M in Q3 and Q4. I stick by my number.
Comment by Justhalffull on Oct 13, 2021 7:50pm
You said $30 to $50 million for Q3. Q 3 is done, and no Apple and minor Motorola.  Access to receptive wireless internet?  Come on.  Hundreds of companies have that.  It's peanuts.  Legals will eat up the revenue.
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Oct 13, 2021 9:21pm
We'll see in three weeks. Be patient grasshopper.
Comment by shareholders1 on Oct 14, 2021 7:00am
Justhalfful - responding to your comment :  "They have to disclose when the change is a significant deviation from their norms.  So for a company with negative cash flow in both q1 and Q2, totalling $5.2 million to suddenly have a positive cash flow of $30 to $50 million in Q3 would be material.  They did not disclose it, so I will presume it is less than that, and not material ...more  
Comment by Justhalffull on Oct 14, 2021 7:51am
You failed to include one sentence that I iincludedl,   "so try to comprehend".  Obviously beyond your feeble mind.  I was not quoting the regulation.   But if you think that a company can have a quarter of earnings 4 or 5 times their normal earnings, yet not disclose the fact in a timely manner, then I guess you will have to live with that erroneous belief ...more  
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Oct 14, 2021 8:27am
1/2full, what is normal? Is covid impacted H1 of $10M or is annual ~$60M? The company advised the latter at the Q2 call. The company includes thus perspective on their presentations. You're obviously a short term investor. You said you sold because your view is that Q3 will disappoint. I understand that. Now be quiet; everyone has heard you. In 3 weeks everyone will be able to assess their ...more  
Comment by shareholders1 on Oct 14, 2021 11:17am
Justhalful wrote : "You failed to include one sentence that I iincludedl,   "so try to comprehend".  Obviously beyond your feeble mind.  I was not quoting the regulation.   But if you think that a company can have a quarter of earnings 4 or 5 times their normal earnings, yet not disclose the fact in a timely manner, then I guess you will have to live ...more  
Comment by Jimmycash on Oct 14, 2021 9:14am
For a company like Wi-Lan that had revenues around 100M the last 2 years and Quarterhill as a whole having average revenues of 140M for the past several years....seems obvious to me that after YTD revenues being under 40M, a 50M - 60M quarter would not be material at all, just bs as usual. Not sure if you can comprehend that. Half full ....go hug a dog or something......
Comment by v_guerriero on Oct 13, 2021 2:58pm
This is garbage analysis. Todd Coupland values QTRH on an ITS only basis and cash at 2.77.  This was pre-Motorola, PSMC, auto wireless license, etc. In his note, he highlights that the market ascribes NO value to WiLan.  Even if you think Motorola is only worth $10M (which it isn't), the market still values WiLan at ZERO. These guys tried to time the market.  Yes, the ...more  
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Oct 13, 2021 3:34pm
I expect one or two positive news events before the release of the Q3 results in early November.
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