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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Quarterhill Inc T.QTRH

Alternate Symbol(s):  QTRHF | T.QTRH.DB

Quarterhill Inc. is a Canada-based company, which is engaged in providing of tolling and enforcement solutions in the intelligent transportation system (ITS) industry. The Company is focused on the acquisition, management and growth of companies that provide integrated, tolling and mobility systems and solutions to the ITS industry as well as its adjacent markets. The Company’s solutions... see more

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Quarterhill Inc > The decision
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Post by mrmoribund on Feb 04, 2022 2:50pm

The decision

Just finished reading it and I have to concede that--even beyond the requirement that this go to a new damages trial--it looks more bad than good . . . maybe.

First off, some of it is good news.

(1) The court made it clear that there was infringement.

(2) Wilan prevailed on several technical points (see pages 8-12). Most central to this: the court rejected Apple's claim that "subscriber unit" and CPE are the same thing. (I'll leave it to the reader to dig into the significance of this.) This appears to me to amount to a win for Wilan on claim construction.

(3) The court agreed with Wilan that the Intel-manufactured chips (post-Wilan-Intel licence expiry (2017?)) should be included. And this was actually a reversal (in Wilan's favour) of the lower court's finding.

So it was by no means all bad.

The problems had to do with the arguments of Wilan's experts regarding the actual value of these patents. None of Skippen, Madisetti or Kennedy are looking good here. Indeed, to put it bluntly, they're all looking sort of like fools.

Skippen introduced an unfortunate metaphor (the wheat vs. the chaff) that the court really grabbed onto. In talking about earlier licence agreements that included more patents than the ones at issue here, the '145 and '757, Skippen characterized these two patents as the wheat in comparison to the chaff of most of the other patents listed in key earlier licences. The court, using Wilan's own materials, essentially turned that on its head, finding the '145 and '757 to be the chaff.

See pages 17-20. It does not make pleasant reading.

I don't think Wilan is going to be hiring Madisetti or Kennedy ever again. The company should ask for their money back from those guys.

So is the action dead? Not necessarily, but I think Wilan is going to have to put together a whole new theory of value. And Apple is going to make a lot of noise about the wheat and the chaff.

Apple's position is going to be: YES, there was infringement; YES, the Intel chips are included; YES, Wilan was right on claim construction; BUT, these are worthless patents.

The question is, can Wilan make a whole new value argument (possibly with new experts) while fending off all Apple's jibes about the wheat and the chaff?

That I don't know. I don't know if they can and--if they can--I don't know what it would look like.

I see the company's press release now. It's more positive in its tone than I would be inclined to adopt. I think it all depends on what kind of new value argument Wilan can make. If they CAN put together a new, strong value argument then I'd say the press release is likely reasonable.

Comment by v_guerriero on Feb 04, 2022 3:16pm
That wasn't a lot of buy volume into some modest PR short covering Anyone that has traded this stock knows about the 30 days of pain after a bad news event.   The technicals are now decidedly broken.  I really wish it wasn't this way.  
Comment by pinetree4 on Feb 04, 2022 3:24pm
Well, if they halted before the selloffs resulting -10% this morning, things could look different.
Comment by v_guerriero on Feb 04, 2022 4:26pm
Ask yourself, why didn't they halt in the morning?  Why did they wait an hour after the decision was out?   Why wasn't their a contingency plan in place for an adverse outcome?  Why did it take 3 hours to write a simple press release? The only answer here is: (1) it is either extreme incompetence  at the hands of a lame duck CFO combined with a third party, part ...more  
Comment by Homework on Feb 04, 2022 4:44pm
really $ 2.00 to 2.50 going to get Kid really excited. I prefer your first option , but a little flawed. No way to anticipate how much was or was not priced into the share price at time of annoucement. So mgmt has no way to halt the stock prior to actually receiving the judgement........
Comment by v_guerriero on Feb 04, 2022 4:48pm
1.2 million shares at $2.00 vs $2.70 is $840,000.   I think nearly a million dollars would be quite motivating to most people.  For just not saying much for a month or so.  
Comment by Homework on Feb 04, 2022 4:55pm
COULD NOT OF KNOWN THE OUTCOME OF THE APPLE JUDGEMENT.......
Comment by ChiChi3 on Feb 04, 2022 5:08pm
V-G, I`ve never seen a poster as transparently self-interested as you.  Up until today you were long and cheerleading and now that you`ve sold, you are takiing pot shots at the company.  It`s an obvious effort to drive the stock price down so you can buy in again (or make a profit because you`ve gone short).  I used to value your posts but  youve lost all credibility with me ...more  
Comment by v_guerriero on Feb 04, 2022 6:09pm
I made a decision with advance knowledge.  I shared it all with you.  I am not short.  QTRH is not a good risk/reward short setup. Here was the rationale for the pivot - Assume Apple judgment is worth $0. - Jury could side with a 0.05/unit rationale.  Even with a 20% increase in Intel based phones, this would amount to $20M - A third jury trial on damages will eat even ...more  
Comment by maxxprophet on Feb 04, 2022 6:37pm
I posted this in Dec. The guy is a snake in the grass. Because of his knowledge of the workings of the markets, people treat him like some kind of  guru. His M.O. is no different than the Analysts and Talking heads. Promote  unrealistic expectations and forcasts, suck in the uninformed, and sell on the upswing when others are buying. If he did sell any this am after talking panic, I' ...more  
Comment by Homework on Feb 04, 2022 4:22pm
this does not trade on technicals V.G, This  will be a turning point in the value of qtrh once the dust settles. You will look back at this entry point in 3 yrs and say wow should of got in. At $ 2 or at 2.50 will make little diff. Unless your trading to make a living there is no reason for technicals. 
Comment by Joey67 on Feb 07, 2022 1:23pm
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