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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Quarterhill Inc T.QTRH

Alternate Symbol(s):  QTRHF | T.QTRH.DB

Quarterhill Inc. is a Canada-based company, which is engaged in providing of tolling and enforcement solutions in the intelligent transportation system (ITS) industry. The Company is focused on the acquisition, management and growth of companies that provide integrated, tolling and mobility systems and solutions to the ITS industry as well as its adjacent markets. The Company’s solutions... see more

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Quarterhill Inc > Response to v_g and Canaccord
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Post by mrmoribund on Apr 25, 2022 11:32am

Response to v_g and Canaccord

Canaccord is looking vindicated at the moment and v_g, needless to say, is every moment crowing over his apparent triumph. No matter that the overall market (growth stocks in particular) is getting hammered. If v_g can see an opportunity to step into the winner's circle, he'll take it.

I can't say for sure that Canaccord is wrong but I would start by suggesting that their take on Quarterhill ITS is rather one-dimensional. Like v_g, they're looking at EBITDA multiples in a really staticy way. And when Bret Kidd says that there has never been a better time to be in ITS, they essentially are choosing not to believe him.

Let me propose an analogy. In football, when a running back carries the ball, probably about 95% of the time he won't be able to break past the defensive linemen. If he's a great runner he might pick up 4 yards instead of 2. But he won't break free from that first line of defense.

But every once in a while, maybe 5% of runs, maybe 15% for a superstar, he really will manage to run in the open field--and maybe, say, pick up 15 yards. And running backs live for that moment.

Corporations live for that moment also. Most companies have to wrestle with relentless competition (and the tight margins that go with it) and they have to, in a sense, grind out every sale. Only rarely will you see the pure form of running in the open field--a tech product or a patented drug that is a true monopoly product that many buyers want or need.

Markets tend to go wild over even a limited form of what I'm calling corporate running in the open field, what we also call a hot growth story. Even with the current pullback you can find plenty of tech names out there selling at 10x revenues--which would be discounting one Hades of a lot of growth.

With that in mind I'd suggest a side-by-side look at Quarterhill and Ottawa-based Kinaxis. Kinaxis, like Quarterhill, appears to be benefitting from strong tailwinds. Kinaxis sells supply chain management enterprise software. As with Quarterhill ITS, they tend to sign big contracts and those contracts tend to be not cheap to service properly.

When you look at the income statements of the two companies they're not that different. Kanaxis is a little bigger. I'd say their numbers look like where Quarterhill ITS's could easily be two years from now. Kinaxis is running at C$320 million in sales vs. roughly C$200 million at Quarterhill. Both have decent EBITDA margins but are losing money on an earnings basis.

But the difference in the market's valuation of these two companies is jaw-dropping. Even after the drop of the past few days, Kinaxis is trading at 12x sales per share vs a little over 1x sales per share at Quarterhill ex-Wilan. (If you adjust for likely Wilan sale proceeds then Quarterhill is really selling at less than 1x sales.) Kinaxis is selling at roughly 9x book value per share vs. Quarterhill at roughly 1x.

Essentially, the market has accepted Kinaxis as a bankable growth story but has chosen not (yet) to see Quarterhill in even close to the same light.

Don't get me wrong. Quarterhill still has to prove itself. But who has the greater growth prospects (independent of what they think on Twitter) between Kinaxis and Quarterhill ITS? It looks very much to me like a toss-up.

The possibility of Quarterhill eventually flip-flopping in terms of the market's perception (as Kinaxis did years ago) is very real. Of course the one thing that never changes about the market is change itself.

Canaccord and v_g essentially dismiss this kind of narrative out of hand. So too with the market right now. My take is that unless you think Bret Kidd is either lying or misguided on Quarterhill's prospects (or tailwinds) then Quarterhill must currently be one tremendous opportunity.

It the growth part of the market keeps crashing then for sure Quarterhill may continue to fall with it. But investors will always keep coming back in their yearning after compelling stories of growth.
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Apr 25, 2022 12:01pm
Comment by cabbieJBJ on Apr 25, 2022 12:15pm
Well said mrmoribund.  VG is a trader with a short term focus who either pumps or bashes depending on his circumstances.  That's fine as long as it is recognized for what it is.  His posts usually have some elements of truth, which he slants, but he also omits material when it's not supportive of his agenda.  He definitely has an agenda and definitely is not collegial ...more  
Comment by v_guerriero on Apr 25, 2022 1:06pm
The only way to make money on Quarterhill is to trade the swings.   All the good news is priced in now.  The swing is lower. Hasnt anyone thought that Cannacord did Brett Kidd a solid?  His options will be priced on May 17th, 5 days after the q1 results are out.   You heard it here first.  Q1 ITS EBITDA will be below Q4.  All the analysts will question the ITS ...more  
Comment by Homework on Apr 25, 2022 3:43pm
Who cares about 1 quarter of ITS profits? Qtrh is still a diversified company with both ITS and Wilan Ip . The 300 million + in operating cash after Wilan sale plus 20 million in profit and growing from ITS is where Qtrh stock price should be at $4.50 by year end . Market risk is the only caveat as to the timing???? 2 more accreditive acquisition to be announced in the near future. Every down ...more  
Comment by v_guerriero on Apr 25, 2022 4:14pm
What a joke.   Today the cash position net of debt is $40M.  They do have to pay the debentures back in full by 2026 if the stock remains depressed.  They can't spend the money without a plan to generate cash.   And the business generates a couple million of free cash flow per year, mainly due to WiLan.   And there will be no free cash flow for some time as ITS ...more  
Comment by v_guerriero on Apr 25, 2022 12:32pm
Kinaxis is a SAAS company.  These companies have very scalable and profitable growth models.  Once they have scale, they have a tipping point and produce ridiculous returns vs. Little incremental capital.  It is a very efficient growth model at scale. ITS is not a software company.  The growth is not scalable.  Every new deployment requires hardware, labour and ...more  
Comment by mrmoribund on Apr 25, 2022 4:51pm
"ITS is not a software company." ?? ITS is an industry. Perhaps you meant ETC? Of course ETC is a software company . . . among other things. Have you not heard of ETC's RiteSuite? The software of both Kinaxis and ETC are somewhat scalable though the projects of both companies require significant ongoing customer support. But enterprise software is like that. If I haven't got ...more  
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