Comment by
FCPlady on Jun 01, 2022 9:56pm
Management is spinning this as a success. IMO, it's a disappointment. They didn't hit the $50M target Now I want to hear where there going to get the cash to buy back the notes and still be a going concern.
Comment by
Albatross on Jun 01, 2022 10:32pm
Definitely a positive. Great to see them paying off debt. 70 mil next q sounds about right considering where nickel has averaged last couple months. This is definitely one of my riskier plays. And truth be told I've put money to much better use jumping around other companies. But.. I'm in it for the long haul
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 01, 2022 11:04pm
Agreed 100%, let's see if they learned their lesson. Years ago they did a big equity issue and called bonds at par or a small premium when they could have should have bought the bonds at 60 cents ish. Total disaster for shareholders. Hey, anybody have a keyboard with symbol for cents or did that disappear with my old underwood typewriter?
Comment by
FCPlady on Jun 02, 2022 7:58am
This is why the dutch auction didn't make sense, IMO. They coould have chipped away at the debt buying on the open market at lower prices instead of giving a premium. Bond prices got a lift through this tender but we'll now see them decline to their real market value. Let's see how the shareprice reacts today. Ni is now below $12.40.
Comment by
rkhosla on Jun 02, 2022 1:34pm
Uhhmm the May 12 NBF research note says $361 EBITDA 2022E not $230 as you say it said. No?
Comment by
rkhosla on Jun 02, 2022 2:07pm
huh - this is the second time this month that I don't have access to the most up-to-date note. Both with my TD web broker and with my national bank financial. What's going on? Maybe I am a low priority customer… Maybe I need an upgrade.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 03, 2022 4:19am
Maybe a dyslexic transposition of digits? Or a humdinger currency translation error? Ask him.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 03, 2022 4:38am
Never mind, I'll ask. I'll let you know what I get back if anything.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 03, 2022 4:47am
Where exactly is the company model showing $302mm ebitda at $12 ni? What is model at $10 ni?
Comment by
mas7575 on Jun 03, 2022 6:22am
https://s2.q4cdn.com/343762060/files/doc_presentations/2022/Sherritt-Investor-Presentation-April-2022.pdf it was in a recent March 2022 Sherritt investor presentation: $302m at $12.00 $221m at $10.00 slide 24, "Impact of Rising Nickel Prices" glta, mas75
Comment by
Ernieandbert on Jun 03, 2022 6:43am
Exactly. Right there for all to see. You don't even have to do the work and create a model ( which I did before they published their sensitivity table here).
Comment by
rkhosla on Jun 03, 2022 11:12am
And that is based on NDCC $4.25 USD/lb whereas it came in at $3.42. I reiterate though fertilizer sales will be less next Q and they were a major factor in the low NDCC.
Comment by
Ernieandbert on Jun 03, 2022 11:19am
Yes, based on U$4.25 NDCC which it still will be even with Fertilizer off. May be slightly better but modelling at U$4.25 is fair/conservative. And fertilizer is a completely inelastic good, lest we have a food shortage/crisis to go along with the energy shortage/crisis we will be in for multiple years.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 04, 2022 12:15pm
Even at the "low" number of "only" $230 ebitda, S is trading at , roughly 1X multiple. A bargoon.
Comment by
Ernieandbert on Jun 05, 2022 6:53pm
And once again, I forgot...EV/Ebitda multiple excludes ALL Cash (inclusing Cash in Cda). So it is even more ridiculous. All you long term holders were buying this thing at 5x+ and today you can buy it at less than 1x. Insanely cheap. I think that is called "somehting for nothing".
Comment by
Ventoux on Jun 06, 2022 11:19am
$10 per share would be quite impressive. That would imply an equity market cap of $3.97 billion, forget the debt. Put me down as skeptical. Having said that I hope you are correct!
Comment by
Ernieandbert on Jun 06, 2022 12:03pm
That's was some investors thought less than two years ago on Intermediate oil producers trading under $1.00 and now in the $100 range. It is called valuation. Run a DCF on S and see how it is possible. I didn't pull that number out of my a$$.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 02, 2022 9:53am
And ..... Ni is still above $10 per pound. 2022 is first year in 10 years it's traded north of $10. 2 years ago it was $5 a pound and S was in doo-doo.
Comment by
rkhosla on Jun 02, 2022 12:16am
Keep in mind fertilizer sales will be disappointing in Q2 - Essentially fertilizer saved us in Q1.
Comment by
FCPlady on Jun 02, 2022 7:50am
Only flaw in your argument - the Cubans need the cash more than S. The Cubans would rather get distributions than have excess working capital at Moa, IMO.
Comment by
Ernieandbert on Jun 02, 2022 7:53am
I am quite sure you don't understand how the 50/50 jv at moa works. And likely do not understand accounting fundamentals. IMO.
Comment by
Maxmoe on Jun 01, 2022 10:52pm
If the entire issue tendered and had to be pro-rated fills , that would be a "disappointment ". Tick holders have nothing to bbyatch about now. S can always buy more after huge cash flow rolls in for Q2 and Q3.