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Alternate Symbol(s):  SU

Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > Some Thoughts on the World Energy Market
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Post by Experienced on Sep 01, 2022 8:16am

Some Thoughts on the World Energy Market

I will be the first to defer to Migraine's expertise on the world energy market and the amount of research he puts into it.  When I look at all this, I look at the big picture and the motivations of the big players involved.  The stock market  is as much phsycological as it is analytical and it is important to look at it that way when deciding what to do.

So - what do I see?

Oil Price Backwardation

In simple terms this means that the future price of oil is less than the current spot price.  What does this mean?  In essence it means that the big oil traders believe that there is a recession coming and the price of oil will fall because of that.

If they are right and there is a recession then the SP of all stocks will fall and because oil prices will fall, the SP of SU will go down from current levels.

Inventory Fluctuations of Oil

Oil traders  have a lot to do with the level of oil inventories.  Their decisions are based on a number of factors - the future price of oil compared to the current cost; storage costs and interest rates to name the main ones.  With the oil market in backwardation and rising interest rates, it is difficult for oil traders to make the math work to buy oil today and make money by hedging through the purchase of oil futures.  Similarly, oil producers, especially shale producers, are not able to hedge future production at higher prices than the current spot price and so provides a disincentive to produce more oil.

Backwardation has decreased in the last month but interest rates have gone up, so there is still an underlying pressure for oil traders to reduce stocks of oil and this puts downward pressure on oil prices.  So merely looking at oil stocks and seeing levels going down does not necessarily mean that all is peachy keen.  That said, since oil prices are now close to the Saudi full marginal cost of production (ie including social costs to keep the King in power), it is unlikely that backwardation will increase unless oil traders see a much worse recession than they predict now.  Once the market shifts to Contango then the whole market dynamic is reversed.

OPEC Capacity

A recent IEA report shows that the sustainability of OPEC oil production is about 4 million barrels a day higher than the July production numbers.  This means that if they chose to, OPEC could raise production to meet growing world demand.  The key variable is if they chose to.

Current Oil Price

Months ago I posted that I predicted the energy price falling from over a 100 a barrel to the all-in marginal cost of Saudi oil production which is somewhere in the mid 80s.  We are close to that level now.  In a recession, the price may well fall below that levels but just like oil prices have fallen towards that marginal cost, if the price goes below that level there will be pressure for it to go back up.  What this means is that now if a good time to buying oil stocks if you are a long term holder.  If you are a short term holder then you may want to wait until the recession is in full swing.

So....What am I doing?

I continue to hold an underweight position in oil stocks and will opportunistically buy more on weakness especially in a recession scenario.  If the recession takes the SP of oil stocks down to ridiculous levels, then I will overweight and sell the excess once prices recover.

I continue to have a full weight in pipelines and in electricity producers and will likely hold those positions at current weightings.
Comment by MigraineCall on Sep 01, 2022 12:36pm
OK, I'll offer my views on it, from what I have learned, taking some time to look away from this sea of red today. We have negative China news dragging the markets down, and a long weekend holiday Monday where nobody wants to be long over the weekend. No surprise. The oil traders I watch are bearish, but very cautious, ready to close shorts on an upward move. Kind of like picking up loonies in ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Sep 01, 2022 1:56pm
Great post as usual - thanks Some reactions to your post... 1...if it was simple it wouldn't be fun 2...Yes we both agreed some time ago that conversely to the popular press/pundits, backwardation is bullish and Contango is bearish 3....I do think that the combination of US Fed interest rate increases and the mess that Europe is will result in the US continuing to appreciate against the ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Sep 01, 2022 4:11pm
high USD also mean canadian producers get back 1.316X on oil/gas product sales in CAD while paying cheap CAD for local cost.
Comment by Experienced on Sep 01, 2022 8:40pm
True but relative to the Euro, the CAD has held up pretty well.  If we suffered as much as the Euro, CDN oil producers would have about 10% more profits.
Comment by mrbb on Sep 02, 2022 5:44pm
most commodities ain't price in euro, and canada is a commodity producing country. the main reason for our low CAD is the true dough factor with his anti oil, anti pipeline, anti LNG, pro 2SLGBTQI+, Quick Draw McGraw emergency act.
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