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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Suncor Energy Inc T.SU

Alternate Symbol(s):  SU

Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > Nothing to see here Part 8
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Post by Obscure1 on May 02, 2023 11:17pm

Nothing to see here Part 8

Today's automotive headlines that SU investors don't have to worry about because ICE vehicles will live on forever.  There is nothing to see here for SU shareholders who will continue to receive endless dividends and share price growth

A) Amid intensifying global EV competition, Toyota’s new management team also said the world’s largest automaker aims to roll out 10 new battery EV models by 2026 and ramp up sales to 1.5 million that year, compared with about 24,000 worldwide last year. 

No worries as Toyota still pland to continue making hybrids while developing hydrogen cars and other FCVs(Fuel Cell Vehicles). 

B) Ford plans to cut one in nine jobs in Europe, axing 3,800 roles in product development and administration

Ford has eliminated a number of ICE models in Europe  its market share continues to plummet in the EU and UK.  Ford plans to have VW (which loses money on every EV) make EV's for Europe.  The bottom line is that Ford is focussing on the truck market in the USA as it's ICE sales outside of the USA have cratered.  No worries until someone comes along with a CyberTruck that will blow away the Ford Lightning on vitrually every metric and likely sell for a much lower price.

Off the top of my head, the first 7 Parts are listed below

Part 1:  GM recently offered 58,000 white collar ICE staff in the USA retirement package
Part 2:  Stellantis recently offered 33,500 ICE workers a retirement package
Part 3:  Ford has separated into 3 divisions and is focusing all of its efforts on its EV platform with the unspoken message that the ICE division will soon go bankrupt
Parr 4: Legislation created in 2016 in China will make it virtually impossible to sell ICE vehicles starting July 1, 2023 which has resulted in 4 million unsellable ICE vehicle sitting on lots which will be blown out at auctions in the coming weeks
Part 5: The US EPA recently recommended tail pipe emission changes that mean that ICE vehicle makers will have to make big changes and improvements to be able to sell cars in 3 years (which isn't going to happen)
Part 6:  Lots of videos are appearing of US car lots with seemingly endless high priced trucks from GM and Ford and Stellantis for sale that are not moving (which means that the reported sales numbers for those companies are meaningless as they record sales that are shipped to their dealerships but the vehicles have not actually been sold)
Part 7: The "expensive" but safer EV's are now cheaper than ICE vehilces which are much cheaper to run and recieve the IRA tax credit

Suncor remains focused on capturing a larger share of the tarsands by buying out fleeing competitors at deep discounts to the original costs of developing the projects.  Of course, Suncor can use its 4 refineries (which there is no market for) to create gasoline forever for its 1500 gas stations (which there is no market for). 

How can Teck and Total be so stupid to sell at massive discounts to their costs? 

How can the institutions that have been and will continue to dump Suncor shares be so stupid?

Why didn't 7-11 or Couche Tard or Crescent Point pick up PetroCanada's properties?

Suncor's brilliant management team will show them all.  Mark your words!
Comment by barneyj44 on May 03, 2023 12:10am
Mmm Toyota ramping up to 1.5  million EV's by 2026. Considering theres 1.2 billion combustion engines currently  on the road it's looking like Oil isn't going away anytime soon.
Comment by Experienced on May 03, 2023 8:10am
barney....with all due respect I think you are missing the point. The issue from an investment point of view isn't that oil is going away anytime soon.  The point is that there is likely to be demand destruction in the coming years so that the future demand for oil will be lower than it would be if EV technology didn't exist.   This fact presents a challenge to long term ...more  
Comment by oilandgasmick on May 03, 2023 8:44am
You are quite correct Barney and thanks for this. Oil isn't just used for energy production, it is also used in the manufacturing process for over 5,000 household and common end user products. Cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, lubricants, solvents and fertilizers are just a few examples. There won't be any "transitioning" away to electrical power because electrons have no molecular ...more  
Comment by Kman86 on May 03, 2023 8:06am
Considering the fact that ICE vehicles represent a very minuscule % of oil usage on an overall basis.....this is just narrow minded
Comment by Experienced on May 03, 2023 9:43am
Kman.. Just wondering what data source you are using for stating that ICE engines use a miniscule amount of oil. Here are the facts. .https://www.statista.com/statistics/307194/top-oil-consuming-sectors-worldwide/ Show me your data source!!! Another way to look at this... Out of a barrel of oil -  45% is used to make gasoline  29% is used to make diesel fuel  the rest is ...more  
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